Campaign to “Say No to McDonalds in the Dandenongs” kicks of with public meeting in Tecoma

Approximately 250-300 people gathered at the public “Say no to McDonalds” meeting in Tecoma on May 6th. The large public showing which exceeded organizers expectations had the air of quiet determination about it as the audience, some with homemade protest signs heard how the meeting was just the beginning of what will inevitably be a long campaign. The proposal for a McDonalds in Tecoma was referred to as the “thin edge of the wedge” that will pave the way for the proliferation of multinational fast outlets across the townships of the Dandenong Ranges, destroying the unique character of the “The Hills” compared to the more urbanized parts of Melbourne. The development application with the Shire of Yarra Ranges by McDonalds is expected to be lodged within a fortnight. It is the second controversial proposal for the site proposed by developer Joel Freeman, whose plan to lease the land to supermarket giant Coles was defeated last year by the local community at VCAT
Related: Tecoma Village Action Group McDonalds Campaign Page -- Coverage in the Belgrave Ferntree Gully Mail -- More photos

The strength of community opposition to the proposal was demonstrated by the unanimous passing of a motion from the floor during the meeting that declared “This group rejects and will participate in actively opposing McDonalds across the Dandenong Ranges”.

The meeting heard from a number of speakers including Ian Simpson and Kerry Davis from the “No McDonalds in Knoxfield” group which recently successfully defeated a proposed McDonalds through VCAT. They shared with the meeting some of their successful strategies such as lobbying local councilors to refute McDonalds bogus claims about how much they will contribute to the local community. They also emphasized how vital written objections to councillors were from individuals and that how actually turning up at Council and VCAT meetings was also hugely important.

Local Shire of the Yarra Ranges Councillor for the Lyster Ward Samantha Dunn, who is a member of the Greens, also spoke to the meeting to explain the planning process. McDonalds is expected to lodge the application with the Shire within a fortnight. At that point she explained that people would have the opportunity to lodge written submissions with the Shire of Yarra Ranges about the proposal. Samantha emphasized that submissions that directly address the Planning Schedule will carry more weight. These include issues such as traffic, the built form of the proposal, hours of opening, impact on local residents and impact on the character and amenity of the area. She also urged letters be sent to all councillors on the Shire, not just her, as the local member as ultimately it will be the whole council which votes on the proposal.

A statement of support from the local State ALP member James Merlino was also read to the meeting. James summed up the sentiments of many when he expressed that a proposal that may be completely acceptable in a fully urbanized area of the Shire was not acceptable in the Dandenong Ranges as it will destroy the very specialness that attracts people to both live and visit this beautiful region to begin with. He also expressed concern that the Tecoma proposal would be the “thin edge of the wedge” for similar developments across the Ranges. He pledged to help the campaign in whatever way he could in the future.

Members of the TVAG committee repeatedly emphasized that this meeting was just the beginning and that if the local community wanted to win they would have to stick with the campaign in the future to help raise money, write objections and help in other ways. They were encouraged to join or donate money or time to TVAG to help out.

As stated, this is the second controversial and inappropriate proposal in 12 months for this site in Tecoma, by the developer Joel Freeman. Last year he proposed demolishing the historic Hazelvale Dairy, now home to a local Indian restaurant and a café, to lease the land for a large Coles supermarket. This proposal was opposed by the Shire of Yarra Ranges and defeated at VCAT largely on traffic grounds. Like the current proposal it would have involved a large, visually dominating and disruptive impact on the local community. The Dandeong Ranges are dotted with small to medium sized townships amidst some beautiful bushland and farming areas. The local community in Tecoma are showing that they are prepared to fight to protect the character of this area from being subsumed into just another group of suburbs dominated by the same corporate logo’s and businesses. On one level this is a planning dispute but on another this is a battle of a sense of localized place versus the cultural domination of multi-national corporations. One thing is clear, only a strong committed campaign by the local community can help keep “The Hills” the special and unique place they currently are.

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200 to 300 people at the meeting and half of them were not from Tecoma,so it is safe to say the majority want McDonalds in Tecoma Please don't spoil it for the majority of the community that want it.

EVERYONE PLEASE NOTE:

Don't believe anyone or anything left in comments on this website. This is an ANONYMOUS forum where people can make up any story they like without any accountability.

Don't bother arguing with the trolls here, they enjoy the drama.

Any serious discussion about the McDonalds in Tecoma issue (Pro & Against) is taking place on other websites. Google it to find them!

Do you call people trolls when they catch you out telling lies

there are about 2500 residence in Tecoma and about 100 residents showed up to the meeting the rest were outsiders thats a minority of residents who are against McDonalds

Your right anonymous! I attended the meeting and I'm not a resident of Tecoma. I live in Belgrave, just off McNicol Rd - so I must be an outsider? Really - what rubbish. I am quite sure all of the people at the meeting were hills residents,(I certainly recognised many of my neighbors and friends in attendance) and this issue effects all of the hills. If McDonald's opens in Tecoma it opens the doors for them to open across the Dandenong Ranges, and that is why people from "outside" Tecoma attended the meeting.
Sorry McDonalds fans - but we will win this battle because, if anything, we are far more prepared to put up a fight against it, than those who want it would make any effort to make it happen. You'll have to keep driving to Ferntree Gully for those thickshakes!

Hey Walter tell us about the rent a crowd from Knoxfield that was at the meeting.

As the old saying goes empty vessels make the loudest noise.

You got Pubs in the Hills and you take offence to McDonalds.May be we should shut down all the Pubs, Licensed Restaurants, bottle shops and liquor shops and make piss heads like you drive to F.T.G to get your fix lets face facts alcohol causes more trouble in the community than a thick shake!

Or may be we can ban feral unwashed Greenies like you speaking crap

PLEASE DONT FEED THE TROLLS

I think a good point was made by Chris about the effects of alcohol and McDonalds on the community.If you are worried about the effects of traders on the community surely McDonalds is a better option than a pub, bottle shop or licensed restaurants,then you call him a troll for stating the obvious, is that because you have no answer to a fair comment?
If Chris is a troll can you answer the question for me I have been touched by the road toll and drunk drivers I think your efforts for the community has good intentions but you priorities are around the wrong way. I would rather see a person drinking a thick shake behind the wheel than a person on wine or beer behind the wheel.So why not a word about people who sell liquor.

I think he should loose the name calling and have constructive discussion if he doesnt want to be called a troll.

The argument that a McDonalds should go ahead because it is better than 'X' (pub, injecting room, nuclear power plant etc) is a silly one.
Here's a thought, a 24 hr Maccas (or normal hours) would attract hoons & other dangerous drivers doing 'a maccas run' during or after parting. Many more alcohol fueled drivers on our streets than there were before.

Charlie thanks for the reply.
I thought about what you said,If McDonalds attracks Hoons would it be too much for the Police to act on this?That is what they are paid for.

I still cant see how my opinion (argument as you put it) is a silly one if there was a nuclear power plant to be built in the hills, and you did not object but objected to a McDonalds store, that would be silly.Just the same as it is silly to object to McDonalds because of Hoons when the Hoons are getting drunk at the pubs in the hills then going to McDonalds.So who's Hoons are they, not McDonalds Hoons but the Pub's ,Bottle shops and Licensed Restaurant's Hoons.If they are young people meeting there to talk to friends and not breaking the law whats the problem?.And if they are breaking the law why would it be too much to expect the Police to do there job?

So Charlie your opinion/argument is as silly as blaming the rail road companies for violence on trains or Taxi drivers fault for being bashed, when the problem of Hoons is a community and Police problem not a McDonalds problem, and if people are leaving Liquor venues drunk which there should never be a drunk person leaving these places because there is laws regarding the responsible serve of alcohol take their licence away from them or close them down,then watch the Hoon problem drop.

Charlie I hope my difference of opinion does not make me a Troll..

Glad to have a more serious discussion.
Yes, it is the job of the police to police the hoons. And people dumping litter is something out of McDonalds control. The sad fact is that a McDonalds (or any franchise of their size) will attract these elements.

Just because McDonalds can't control these factors doesn't mean they should not be held responsible for them. And despite what McDonalds policies on cleaning up litter & not encouraging antisocial behaviour may be, anyone who has been to a McDonalds knows the reality.

We do not have to accept this reality.

Charlie I stopped at McDonalds Croydon and have done a few times at night and I do not see this antisocial behaviour or do I see it at Lilydale or Ferntree gully I have seen litter in the car parks but I have also seen McDonalds employees cleaning up the car parks,in general McDonalds is a clean place. I would be interested to hear of your experiences at McDonalds.
Charlie would I be right in saying you would like to close down pubs and railway stations as these places attract antisocial behaviour or is it just McDonalds?
If what you are saying is true I agree we do not have to except this reality, the Police should be made to do their job, not stop a legal business from opening because the Police Force is to lazy to do the job they are paid to do, by you and I the tax payer and the free meals they receive from McDonalds.

You've obviously never lived near one, you'll see antisocial behaviour at the same times every week, like clockwork. Residents should just accept this fact? Not on your life.

The rubbish situation is a funny one. They will make all kinds of promises to appease the council but once built they will only instruct employees to clean their block. Period. Any rubbish outside the store is not their problem any more, it is ours. There should not be any debate needed about this issue in particular, it is a sad bi-product of this type of establishment. Though once a year the McDonalds hijacked 'clean up Australia day' makes everyone feel like they are actually doing something. Unacceptable.

I'm also not saying anything should be closed down, existing establishments/ stations are already here. However we can prevent more offenders setting up shop. The Maccas problem is not simply antisocial behaviour, it is just a small piece of the pie of negative impacts of a business of that size/type.

Finally, Just because a business is legal does not mean they should be able to build wherever they feel like, sites must be appropriate. There is a vast difference between a large business built down in the burbs and one in a tiny village like Tecoma.

Charlie I lived a few doors down from McDonalds Croydon for 15 years in that time I've seen one fight this was the mid eighties the crowd coming from the Croydon Pub and Area Disco was the problem not McDonalds.Thats why I asked what experiences you have had with McDonalds,sure I heard the odd burn out but so has every one who lives near a main road and a corner.

I would have thought the main street of Tecoma was an appropriate spot next to the other shops to put a McDonalds the kids will love it, just as I did when I was a kid.

Charlie with out trying to sound disrespectful or like a Troll are you sure your not a Grumpy Old Man and a Kill joy, can you tell me how it will effect you directly? sorry mate but thats what it sounds like to me

was at the meeting. I know the organisers and there were 272 people who registered their names and contact details at the meeting.
If McDonalds payroll is going to be about $1million, and they say that it's money that goes back into the community, do you know how much they will have to have in takings (sales)? By McDonalds own numbers, the outlet will have to sell $5million worth of it's product. Where will that come from? Oh, wait, the local community who buy the product? So, in order to get a million dollars in wages paid into the community, the community has to spend five million? As for jobs for our young people, McDonalds are well known for paying the absolute minimum they are required to by law. There are currently (in Tecoma) two businesses who are advertising without success for junior staff. So, where are all these young people who need an after school job? This being the case, what makes anyone imagine that local young people would be employed there? So suddenly, the million dollar return on the five million dollar investment is actually going to people who are not from the community? All this without even beginning to look at the suitability of a multinational fast food outlet in our precious Dandenong Ranges with all the additional social problems that brings!

Lizzy Lou can you tell me what company pours as much money from their profits back into the community like McDonalds does?
Lizzy Lou are you aware of any McDonalds charities and what do you think of them?.
As for jobs for young people can you tell me what company can provide a working career like McDonalds can, or are they just dead end jobs that are available in Tecoma?
Lizzy where does the wages come from for the people in Tecoma who are employed in shops is it the local community or not?I think that McDonalds will draw money for wages from people who visit the Dandenongs not just locals.And can you tell me who pays above award wages and who doesn't in Tecoma?
Thank you for reading my comments look forward to your reply.

I feel qualified to answer your questions!
1) A McDonalds has an enormous detrimental effect on a small village like Tecoma. The chump-change they would give the community is purely for show. A few thousand a year to sporting clubs is great PR & sees familys visit to claim McDonalds food vouchers supplied to the children.

2) McDonalds charities exist purely to be wheeled out & paraded at times like this, trying to appease increasing resistant local communities & to portray McDonalds in a favourable light. They make McDonalds out to be a good corporate citizen.

3) I worked at McDonalds when I was younger. Fulltime. For years. A career at McDonalds is as unsatisfying & empty as the nutrition content of their 'food'. Maccas jobs are short-lived stop gap measures.

4) The thought that any more than a fraction of the 100 employees would come from Tecoma The vast majority of jobs for a Tecoma McDonalds would be filled by people outside the area. Tecoma has almost nothing to gain, unless you count litter, traffic, poor reputation & late night louts.

I did a test on Friday night I went to McDonalds in Boronia from 12am to 2am and saw not one bit of trouble, then to give it the benefit of the doubt I went to Ferntree Gully McDonalds on Saturday night from 11:30pm until 2:15am and still saw no trouble, but had the Police Knock on my window to ask what was I waiting on they noticed I had been there for a while I told them I was seeing for myself how much trouble happens in a McDonalds store at night because they were thinking of putting one in Tecoma,they said things are not like they used to be six or seven years ago it is Generally quite now. What are you all talking about?

Thats funny, I also did a test at a local 24hr McDonalds on a Friday night from 8pm until 6am. I saw NO bad behaviour during those ten hours, in FACT, people were regularly holding hands & singing Coombyare together. Also the late night hoons would slow down on arrival & even turned their DOOF DOOF down just for us. It was a beautiful sight & I am similarly OUTRAGED that anyone has any issue with this serene environment.

Oggy you and all the other anti McDonalds are full of hot air with no facts to back up any thing you say.Heres another thought ever needed to go to the toilet when you are at Tecoma at least McDonalds will give you clean toilets, but it probably won't worry people like you Oggy you would just go behind the trees and love every minute of being at one with nature right.

There are two types of people who live in the Dandenongs people who grew up here and have now bought houses here to be close to family and freinds, and people who moved up here to be greenies and pretend hippies the latter are the people who are trying to stop McDonalds they should all move to Nimbin NSW with all the Wankers

Yeah like all the 'facts' you used to back up your 'scientific study'... sounds like hot air to me mate.

Labeling all who oppose a Maccas as 'Filthy, Urinating Hippies' just shows what a small-minded meathead you are, and only erodes the creditability of the pro-maccas argument.

PS, get a better fake name, 'craig'

Hey boggy did the truth hurt, you sound upset mate.
Doggy I was not refereeing to Urinating I was refereeing to having a crapp.
Lets have a look at the anti Macca's argument First they say no one wants Macca's in Tecoma.Then they say traffic will increase from all the people who go there who's the meat head soggy?how does traffic increase if no one wants it?Give us some facts hoggy instead hot air.
And foggy you ask me to get a better fake name, how about you just find a name.

oh snap, I just got served

Craig is right Oggy you anti McDonalds People got no facts behind your argument except we don't like Mcdonalds.
Oggy did you play load music when you were young or were you a stiffy like you are now?

good work 'craig', 'stan' is a much better fake name.

It is disturbingly hilarious how

  • pretty much all
  • of the ridiculous pro-mcdonalds comments here share the same lack of punctuation, writing style & general name calling.

    THEY'RE THE SAME PERSON!

    (cue a new guy called 'Harrold' or something to reply to this comment and refute the claim in an older sounding sentance)

    Oggy you should become a politician, by the way you evade a straight question. Bob brown the retard would love to have you on his side.
    You dont like the young people playing Doof Doof music what music did you listen to when you were young?
    You don't like Hoons is that because you had no friends when you were young?
    Oggy answer these Questions you stiffy, so we can all see you are just a grumpy bastard that doesn't want any one to have a bit of fun!

    I would like to see McDonalds open in Tecoma .
    I can't see a problem, if you don't like McDonalds, don't go there

    sorry- retract my last statement

    I just realised there is one just down the road. I'm happy to drive there.

    Oggy while your down there stuffing you cake hole can you pick me up a Big Mac,Large fries, chocolate thick shake,a hot apple pie and a chocolate sundae please can you drop it off at the Health food shop in Tecoma because i'm sick of the crap in this shop.Oh and can you get the paper please

    Your posters on the trees around Tecoma make the place look untidy vandalism like this should impose a fine it's the same as graffiti shame on you

    Unbelievable- You think a couple of signs make the hills look untidy? Wait until a Maccas gets built- then you'll see what untidy looks like....

    PS. it isn't vandalism, just removable signs. They'll be happily taken down at a later date.

    How many signs? a couple try again.Mcdonalds untidy??? it will look better than the run down Bon Ton and the run down vacant shops in the main drag now.

    i am an 18 year old who lives in tecoma. i know most of the kids in tecoma,upwey and belgrave nearly everyone i have had a discussion with about mcdonalds in tecoma, does not want one in tecoma. i know 15 to 20 young teenagers who said they were willing to destroy it if it was erected, i am one of these teenagers,if a mcdonalds is built in tecoma it will not last long. the windows will be smashed and the walls painted black trust me.so quit your shitty pro-mcdonalds campaign and fuck off because the hills will never see the golden arches and my generation will make sure of that.

    McDonalds won the VCAT approval to build a store in Tecoma