by Ciaron - Dublin Catholic Worker (originally from Brisbane, Australia)
OBAMA, he speaks like JESUS and kills like HEROD!
It has been weird being in Dublin security city the past week. It reminds me a lot of
growing up in the police state of Queensland/Australia in the late '70's.
On Thursday, I was stopped and searched by police five times before noon and shaken down by the Special Branch 3 times over the two daze. My poster (photo of Giusepe Conlon...with the words "Remember Giuseppe Conlon and All Victims of Empire") remains in police custody, confiscated by an Inspector under State Security legislation.
Photo - Giuseppe Poster...set it free!
http://www.lightstalkers.org/images/show/1206924
The differences between Brisbane 77 and Dublin 11 is one of intensity and oppostion. In Brisbane you would be busted for expressing a dissident opinion, in Dublin last week they shut the city centre down, even to people who wanted to shop!
The clampdown in Brisbane in '77-82 was initially in response to the anti-uranium mining/ nuclear power movement, there had been a similar state response to the anti-Vietnam war and anti- racist Springbok Rugby Tour '68-'71 and of course any attempt by the aboriginal communuty to assert their hman rights (that last one's a given anywhere/ any time in Australia). This is the context in which Julain (WikiLeaks) Assange's mother, a Queenlsand Uni student, was actiive and into which Julian was born - very formative for all of us who went through it!
The Dublin population appears a lot more docile, the resistance smaller (there have been honoroble exceptions I've bumped in to on the streets), the artist scene a lot more timid in Dublin 11 than Brisbane 77.
At least in Briz we had "The Saints" with "Security City"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-pGPBTGKA0
the "Go Betweens", local anarcho from the West End Tony Kneipp with his cult classic "Pig City"
http://au.search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu8Rw4dhN5xEA...-mail
and the inidigenoeus voice of Kev Carmody, here with "Thou Shalt Not Steal" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6fem7-ucxg
Even Spike Milligan and "The Stranglers" swung by on days where
hundreds of us were rounded up and bashed. Spike wrote an Open Letter and The Stranglers came up with "Nuclear Device" from their stopover experience
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpGnLlwF-RU
Where are the dissident poets, artists and voices of Dublin? Is it the place or is it the times? Is it self censorship down to concern over access to the U.S. markets or 800 years of colonisation dunno? Whrere are the anarchs and civil libertarians when it comes to this wholesale denial of free expression? Is everyone safely vacuumed packed on the net...doing virtual scocialising, sexuality and social networking. Is 3D, the streets now judged irrelevant? I dunno...I don't even do facebook?
The first time I got busted in Briz at 17, Saints guitarist Ed Keuper and Grant McLennan of the Go Betweens were busted with us (418 of us rounded up! for attemtping to march against uranium exports)...ya didn't have to do much to get busted i Briz in those years.....march, gather in 3 or more, hand out a leaflet, hold a placard bigger than 24 inches by 24 inches...some lefty protestant ministers got busted for singing hims for aboriginal land rights, the Salvation Army band and the Hare Khrtisnas also had run in s with the cops for doing there thang!
This is how it feels in Dublin today, ya won't have to do much to get busted when the Emperor is in town. Wherever the U.S. emperor - white conservative or black liberal - should cast his shadow, you're supposed to "tremble, oh tremble...................." Wherever Emperors, the monarchy and military go, human freedoms evaporate.
Colm and I did a small vigil at the historic GPO (site of the 1916 Rising) on Friday against the ongoing use of Shannon Airport by the U.S. military, When we arrived there were ten Gards for the two of us and Special Branch came a calling.
The radio prattles on as I write about the lack of visible oppostion to the Royal Visit,...well maybe that's because you turned your town into an occupied city! Dublin looked like a ghost town for many of those daze last week.
Radio says there was more reporting of protests about the Queen in the international press than in the irish media....well maybe that's becuase you've got the most cowardly housebroken centralised media in the western world!...not to mention the role of the Stalinists in RTE who have an expertise in airbrushing and censorship and whose buddies from back in the day now head the Labour Party in coalition government with FG. Little investogatory journalism wouldn't go astray...and maybe you'd solve a mystery or two? Save on the guesswork and speculation!
A lot of the resisters in Brisbane during that time were Irish diaspora...O'Gorman, O'Neill, Kelly, O'Reilly, Foley, Bailey, Dowling, MacLennan, Curley.....but then again so were the Special Branch headed by Les Hogan who also headed the "Holy Name Society". So what gives with the Irish in the 26 counties, dunno? We had a Radical Rosary Mystery Tour the other day...there were 3 folks from the 26 counties, 2 Catholics from the north, 2 protestants from the north, my bro and I from the Irish OZ diaspora and an English ex- SAS Iraq Vet. friend.
The YouTube link is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv76uK72FB4
Here we have the head of the British state and Commander of Chief of U.S. forces that have dragged "neutral" Ireland into two wars over the last ten years in town...and so little oppostion. The key states fueling these wars Saudi Arabia and Pakistan were created by the British Empire and armed by the U.S. empire. This "war without end" won't end by itself or until you address those states and these empires.
What I have heard of the Irish media over these daze, reminds me of the Stalinist homogeny of Orwell's 1984 radio...whether it is the "tits and ass" tabloids like "News of the World" or the pseudo sophisticates of the Irish Times and RTE, they are all singing from the same subservient hymn sheet. .... celebrating the Queen and Obama with so much blood on their hands, "don't mention the war/s" and demonising any voices raised in objection.
I've been in the streets as much as I could handing out this flyer
"Free Bradley Manning", solidarity with Brad info side:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vertigogen/5687859398/d
"Reward for the Apprehension of Jesus" (first published by IWW in WW1) side:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vertigogen/5687859410/
for Bradley Manning, a young man who has been tortured under Obama for the past year. Bradley is accused of releasing this footage
http://www.collateralmurder.com/
...of a U.S. helicopter gunship massacre of 2 unarmed Reuters journalists, 9 other unarmed Iraqis and when a family on ths school run stops to see if they can help the wounded or bury the dead...the order comes through to "light them up" killing the father and seriously wounding the children.
I heard no mention of Manning, whose grandfather came form Dublin, at the IAWM anti-war rally outside the GPO on Sunday! Go figure? You must assume that every member of the U.S. military considering non-cooperation is looking at how much solidarity Manning is getting from the peace movement before considering their options and presently Manning is not getting much form the Irish peace movement....even though he passed through shannon Airport on the way to Iraq and his grandfather was from Dublin!
I think it was Stalin who said, one person dying is a tragedy, a million a staistic. So it has been enlightenting meditating on Bradley Manning and his story. As i t would be meditating on any one Iraqi vistim, really meditating, really considering the suffering and our Irish complicity in it Bradley now 24, was living in Wales and only 14 when these wars began he had an anti-war postion. Back in the U.S. at 17, homeless and poor he joined the U.S. military in his late teens in the hope of being able to get a college education. Like most U.S. troops who invaded and occupied Iraq he passed through the small departure lounge of Shannon Airport in "neutral" Ireland. 4,000 of these young men and women have returned in body bags, 20,000 with injuries they will never recover from, tens of thousands with post traumatic stress and injuries they may recover from, hundreds of suicides and a million Iraqis dead. Bradley Manning may spend the rest of his life in military prison for telling us the truth about our war on the people of Iraq. he did this believing it would at least create a conversation that may lead to action to the end of the war. We need to be acting up and speaking out for Brad and the past present and future victims of the war machine.
The question for those of us with faith and without, for our communities and our our country is are we heading into or empire or out of empire?
The British did not conscript north or south in Ireland in WW1
The Catholic Church in Australia, under Irish leadership, defeated the governent twice in referendums on the question conscription (...not so in Aotearoa/ New Zealand! where the Irish Catholic community was a lot smaller component of the population)
The Irish constitution embraced neutrality.
For decades (rightly or wrongly), Ireland was generally viewed as a peacful non-imperialist country, it was helpful to have that Irish passport as you past through war zones.
Ten years ago around the time the U.S. military were retreating from their massive bases in Saudi Arabia in response to the New York 911 attack - Shannon Airport became a major hub for the U.S. war machine. The Irish constitution and the Irish people were betrayed. This is now air brushed over as Emperor Obama arrives for his compulsory phot op (40 million U.S. citizens claim irish decent) in the run up to his election.
See you on the streets....this emperor has no clothes of credibilty. It only takes one to shout it!
FREE MANNING! END THE WARS!
Comments
Re: BRIZ 77-DUB 11 **OBAMA - The Emperor has no clothes, his ...
Ireland is a peaceful country is it?Go walk around Dublin at night I bet you get robbed or shot the place is out of control.
Ireland received millions of dollars from America to support the IRA, Obama has a Irish history why would the Irish people forget this and turn on America?My grand father fought in the 1916 black and Tan war of independence was put in gaol and escaped to America for a couple of years then returned to Ireland I proudly display his IRA medal in my house.America has helped Ireland for near 100 years.The Americans are our cousins don't forget that Ciaron.
I have replied to some of your stupid views before and Ciaron you deleted my comments and you accuse RTE of censorship thats the kettle calling the pot black don't you think?
The Catholic church in Australia under Irish leadership molested thousands of innocent children and hid priest from facing justice. Because of the acts of injustice I will not call myself a Catholic again, if you want to help the world start in your own back yard Ciaron (Catholic worker)It only takes one to shout"STOP HIDING PEDOPHILE PRIESTS" clean up your own mess first Ciaron then we might listen to you.
Bradley Manning is a traitor if he could not work out what the war in Iraq was about before he went he was a fool too.The moron made his own bed now he can lie in it.
Ciaron you get stopped by the Garda because you are a shit stirer what do you expect them to do?But the funniest thing about you is you are against the Queen and say she has blood on her hands which is true then you work in England I would never set foot in England to help them by giving them my labour and you do it for free. You are one fucked up person Ciaron.
Just to prove you are full of shit you will censor my comments.
Reflective Rant on standing against Obama on windswept O'Connel
Reflective Rant on standing against Obama on windswept O'Connel St.. Dublin, Ireland
Here's one from Briz 77 to Dub 11
Go-Betweens,
The Streets of Your Town
"...they shut it down, they close it down..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XDmasbARtE
If ya walked down windswept O'Connel St. toward the Jedward/ Obama Lovefest yesterday
(it was hard to work out who was opening for who?)..
you may have thought there were only 3 people in Ireland that had a girevance against the U.S. empire.
You may have thought that the U.S isn't running a major counter insurgency in Colombia (where were you LASC?)
or ramapant on executions judicial and extrajudicial
(where were you Amnesty?...still don't want to offend the Amerikkkans uh?...never been the same since ya jumped the U2 bandwagon....at least no punk rocker from Brisbane ever took a knighthood...at least 2 from Dub uh?)
or the wipe out of the Christian community in Iraq since the U.S invasion and occupation
(where were the churches, trade unions, feminists, eco warriors dunno???)
When the head of the empire that is fast tracking our world to a nuclear bang or a ecological whimper arrives in your capital and there is no visible opposition ....you know your movement is sick, co-opted, silenced and in need of diagnosis. What arre these paid organisers dong besides conference jumping, internetting and going to cofee with each other...where were they? where were they yesterday? keeping their heads down and their atrses covered, maybe?
Oh well could go on forever on that theme...back to the 3-4 strong Catholic Worker vigil on O'Connel St. as the masses of Jedward and Obama fans made their way entranced ike the opening scene from Conan the Barbarian movie where they are all off to volunteer as human sacrifce for the Emperor
As always, you meet good people ....when you as Dan Berrigan advised in the '60's "Don't just do something stand there!"...a lot of folks expressed appreciation that we were offering some visible humble (did I say windswept already?) opposition and took the flyers on Bradley Manning.
We held visuals
- photo of Manning with "Free Bradley Manning and All Imprisoned War Resisters!"
- "OBAMA talks like JESUS kills like HEROD"
(a photo of this sign appeared in the Metro across England yesterday....that's the free paper they give out on the tube in London, but also duplicated in Brighton, Mancheter etc...so yahoo for a visual break in the consensus coming from Ireland to England.. as Obama is about to land in Old Blighty
The Special Branch took about 3 hours to discover our presence and got all excited...checking bags and issuing an instruction that if we moved any further down O'C St .we would be arrested under Section whatever of the Offences Against the State Act
...I must confess I read "Catch 22" 8 times before I was 18...and I run with catch 22 whatever jurisdiction I'm in and whatever state authority I'm facing
"they can do anything you can't stop them form doing!"
So witnessing the voices of dissent silenced in Ireland by the hip charisma of Obama reminded me of that verse from Revelation 13
"...and they prostrated themselves in front of the beast, saying "Who can compare with the beast? Who can resist him?......
...well in Dublin apparently the Catholic Worker that doesn't seem to give a flying proverbial about the popularity stakes and appearing cool to the mainstream media or the bohemian left...and there we stood, it was blowing a gale, placards and drreadlocks flying, rain falling intermently, punters sneering
....we don't care who is running your empire a privileged white pseudo Texan preppie or a cool balck dude from Chicago...empire is empire Brit, Yank, Bablylonian...and we're making our way out of it at speed as the Irish state raises up its arse to empire to be embraced by it...handing the economy to the I.M.F. to be treated as it treats its hotel chamber maids....and offering a military hub for the U.S. war machine as it refuels for its latest killing spree....drive bys in Libya, occupations in Afghanitsan and Iraq...and whoever this extrajudicial killer and Gitmo co-ordinater has in his sites next...
...nothing like a liberal who has tasted blood, disposed of the body at sea and can now swagger with his jock military advisers or is that superiors?, jury stil out on that one!.......
Obama's vehicle is named "The Beast"...hopefully we can be as en effective speed bump on his highway of death as this one at the U.S. embassy in Dublin
PHOTO
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/05/23/bar...1962/
The phone number for the Bridewell police station where Giuseppe Conlon poster is being held starts with the digits 666....a coincidence, I think not!
Raymond is in court today, for his nonviolent protest at the Dail when Ireland was handed over to the I.M.F....it's time for solidarity with Raymopnd, Bradley Manning, Fr. Steve Kelly and whoever is befofree the courts ior in chains for resisting the empire......Solidairity with the folks in London refusing to be silenced by Obama and doing their thang today...
Also noted is they have released the Rosemary Nelson assasination inquiry on a day that they hope will be media swamped by the Obama Irish/English visit...may Rosemary rest in peace, may her unrepentant killers
"the whores of the empire lay awake in their beds
and sweat as they count out the sins in their head"
Pogues "Streets of Sorrow" banned from Briitish television
http://au.search.yahoo.com/search?p=youtube+streets+of+...-mail
As it's Bob Dylan's 70th. today here's one for you Obama...written for Reagan, but it serves you well ....Jokerman
http://au.search.yahoo.com/search?p=youtube+Jokerman&yg...-mail
Over Two Thousand Six Hundred Activists Arrested in US Protests
Over Two Thousand Six Hundred Activists Arrested in US Protests (during Obama Presidency)
by Bill Quigley / May 24th, 2011
Since President Obama was inaugurated, there have been over two thousand six hundred arrests of activists protesting in the US. Research shows over 670 people have been arrested in protests inside the US already in 2011, over 1290 were arrested in 2010, and 665 arrested in 2009. These figures are certainly underestimate the number actually arrested as arrests in US protests are rarely covered by the mainstream media outlets which focus so intently on arrests of protestors in other countries.
Arrests at protest have been increasing each year since 2009. Those arrested include people protesting US wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, Guantanamo, strip mining, home foreclosures, nuclear weapons, immigration policies, police brutality, mistreatment of hotel workers, budget cutbacks, Blackwater, the mistreatment of Bradley Manning, and right wing efforts to cut back collective bargaining.
ARTICLE CONTINUED.....
http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/05/over-two-thousand-six-hundred-activist...
Reply to Doug
"Ireland is a peaceful country is it?Go walk around Dublin at night I bet you get robbed or shot the place is out of control."
Hyperbole Douog, you've got to be an American or a piss porr imtitation of one?
"Ireland received millions of dollars from America to support the IRA, Obama has a Irish history why would the Irish people forget this and turn on America?"
40-50 million U.S. citz claim Irish heritage. Obama is there for the compulsory phot op of downing a Guiness in run up to his re-election campaign.
"My grand father fought in the 1916 black and Tan war of independence was put in gaol and escaped to America for a couple of years then returned to Ireland I proudly display his IRA medal in my house."
Yeah so did mine, it's a pity all your family seems to have learnt from the experience is macho posturing and nothing of anti-imperialism.
"America has helped Ireland for near 100 years.The Americans are our cousins don't forget that Ciaron.
I have replied to some of your stupid views before and Ciaron you deleted my comments and you accuse RTE of censorship thats the kettle calling the pot black don't you think?"
Your stupidity is expressed by the accusation that I have some control over what is deleted and what's left up on this site. I do not.
As they say in Ireland "better to keep silent and be thought a fool, than open your mouth and confirm it!"
"The Catholic church in Australia under Irish leadership molested thousands of innocent children and hid priest from facing justice. Because of the acts of injustice I will not call myself a Catholic again, if you want to help the world start in your own back yard Ciaron (Catholic worker)It only takes one to shout"STOP HIDING PEDOPHILE PRIESTS" clean up your own mess first Ciaron then we might listen to you."
Sexual abuse is rampant in Australia most of my friends who have been abused have been abused by family members. Most of my family who have been abused have been by health care proffessionals. Whereever you have a culture of deference you have abuse...boy scouts, swimming coaches, dentists, new age gurus, etc etc Your sectarian attitudes are a distractionto dealing with a serious issue in Australian society.
"Bradley Manning is a traitor if he could not work out what the war in Iraq was about before he went he was a fool too.The moron made his own bed now he can lie in it."
And your obviously an idiot but I don't think you should be locked off for life. 24 hours might put som e manners on you tho...you should consider it as an option.
"Ciaron you get stopped by the Garda because you are a shit stirer what do you expect them to do?But the funniest thing about you is you are against the Queen and say she has blood on her hands which is true then you work in England I would never set foot in England to help them by giving them my labour and you do it for free. You are one fucked up person Ciaron."
I'm a Catholic Worker, that means I work very hard but don't get paid - so no drag or contribution to the British economy.
Hae a nice day dude, but it looks like you have other plans. Good luck in finding a softer target as tyou trawl and troll.
Just to prove you are full of shit you will censor my comments.
Re: Reply to Doug
Ciaron I have never been to America and I am not trying to imitate one either, just pointing out how the Americans helped Ireland and that you should not have a short memory of this fact.By the lack of your response to your statement "Ireland is a peaceful country" I take it you know Dublin is full of crime and not safe at night whos the fool now?not me.
What my family learnt from the Black and Tan war of independence was England are our enemy.If I went to England to do work for free and help the Enemy my Grand Father would turn in his grave loyalty is every thing in my Family.I would not and never have set foot in England.By the way Ciaron did you know if you spend money in England you are contributing to the British economy so every time you bought food or paid for public transport etc you helped the enemy who's the fool now Ciaron?not me.
Ciaron if you did not delete my comments then it was indymedia itself if this is true then your views of RTE would also apply to indymedia is that correct?
I can't believe you have friends and family members that have been sexually abused and still try to shift the attention away from Catholic Priests, you need to face up to the short comings of the catholic church, being in denial will not fix this problem that runs rampant in the Catholic church.The difference between Boy Scouts,swimming coaches,Health care professionals and the catholic church is when they are caught the catholic church moves these pedophile priests to another parish or over seas and if they do go to gaol and get out half of them remain priests and are not defrocked how sick is that ?If a scout leader or swimming coach get caught they are not protected and they will never be a scout leader or a swimming coach again.So Ciaron the next time you are at church and put money into the collection tin at mass on a Sunday realize that a lot of that money goes to pay for barristers to get these fithy vermon off charges they are guilty off or it goes to pay criminal compensation to poor innocent children they have sexually abused.Ciaron who is the fool now?not me.
As for Bradley Manning if he had half a brain he would have seen how the military treat returned service men in Vietnam with agent orange and Gulf syndrome vets from gulf war 1 and see they are pawns in the game of war, it is fools like him that make it possible to have wars in the first place so he gets no sympathy from me who,s the fool now? not me
Ciaron if telling the truth makes you a troll then a troll I am.
So Ciaron as they say in Ireland Pogue Mahone if you have a problem with the truth
uh hum
where is my post editor?
if you can't swallow my words then you would have no trouble with a gnat no doubt.
Here we go 'again'
I have a few questions Ciarron ?
Who pays you to flit around the world ?
Who runs this so called independent media ?
My suspicion leads me to the RCC, known for its lies and all many of abuses as mentioned by Doug above.
Don't disagree with most of your facts Ciarron but don't assume being a 'catholic' makes you a christian.
My knowledge of the RCC only makes me realise how powerfull they, by having you on their payroll they are making you give consent to all their ways.
If you believe in Jesus Christ call yourself a christian.
If you depise the evils of this world as you say you do, then you have a conscience, evidently we all have one of those but many don't have a heart attached.
As you would know well, you do not have to be a christian to be christ like and love your fellow man.
Doug sounds like his conscience is 'burning' for whatever reason only he may know.
As for you Ciarron, my advice to you is to get away from your so called church for your own good.
Are your prayers being answered ?
If not then maybe you pray amiss !
I don't know if this post will be allowed by big brother but as long as whoever deletes it , reads it first , I don't care. mission accomplished.....
the issue of Catholicism is not directly related to stopping war
It seems that despite taking a brave stand against war & imperialism, the author is attacked here for his religous beliefs. Don't be disheartened because you are setting an example of resistance to power while your critics are sniping from the sideline at the people they should be supporting despite differences in regards the issue of Catholicism that is not directly related to stopping the madness of war.
it is the working poor that fight the empire's wars
Reply to Doug
" Ciaron I have never been to America and I am not trying to imitate one either,"
Doug, I don't know anthing about you, you seem to know a bit about me and a bit more that is not true...so it's all guesswork for me isn't it. Ok I accept your plea bargain that you are not an American...I haven;t got anything against americans north and south, I am part of an American founded (and majority) movement...the Catholic Worker (CW). I know "instructing the ignorant" is part of the CW "acts of mercy" biref, but there is not the time in the day to respond and clarify all the untruths and half truths on this thread. I suggest you google me, google Catholic Worker, google plowshares as an educational aid. This would save me a lot of work (that goes to others who have added if not always contributed to this thread).
Doug you lowered the tone of this thread and took it off thread with a personal attack on me and are using it as a forum to express your anti-Catholic sectarianism. I know I claim to be a Catholic Christian..and am supposed to "turn the other cheek" rather than slice and dice my detractors...but I didn't say I was a GOOD Catholic Christian. I am from the '70's and am Irish Australian..that means I am in psychic proximity to places where you could be murdered merely for being Catholic...occupied north of Ireland and occupied East Timor. I have also spent and survived the best part of two years in various jail environments in various countries...some would say I have anger management issues ( I am improving you should have met me in the '70's and '80's!)
"just pointing out how the Americans helped Ireland and that you should not have a short memory of this fact.By the lack of your response to your statement "Ireland is a peaceful country" I take it you know Dublin is full of crime and not safe at night whos the fool now?not me."
No more dangerous than Australian cities. I've lived in East L.A., D.C, north Philly, Baltimore...Dublin is not as dangerous as those places. Since the Provos have demilitarised...there is a vacuum in Dublin and Limerick and elsewhere that is being filled by more reckless Coke fueled drug gangs..there would be a drug gang assasination in Dublin every 2 or 3 weeks (not an altercation that has esclated..but a planned assaisination), the cops are not as efficient as OZ, England, U.S....but as we know the cops in those places are heavilly involved in the drug trade, not as much in Ireland is my impression after living their 7 years. The screw culture in Irish jails in my experience is not as militarised in Ireland as those places. When iwas in Boggo Rd. in the '80's a lot of the screws were ex-British military who had toured the north of Ireland and they didn't like the name O'Reilly or the other Irish Catholic names (of whtes and blacks) that were common in Boggo Rd.
"What my family learnt from the Black and Tan war of independence was England are our enemy.If I went to England to do work for free and help the Enemy my Grand Father would turn in his grave loyalty is every thing in my Family.I would not and never have set foot in England."
"Love your enemies" Doug..that it is the most anarchist response...empire and states need enemies as the basis of their existence. If they haven't got them they will create them...see how they hyped Bin Laden, the crisis they had at the end of the Cold War (I was living in D.C and I had a front row seat to view their panic) ...their need to demonise former allies Noriega and Sadam t keep their imperial project and state funded nuclear and conventional arms industry in business
"By the way Ciaron did you know if you spend money in England you are contributing to the British economy so every time you bought food or paid for public transport etc you helped the enemy who's the fool now Ciaron?not me."
I live relatiely by first world standards) simply Doug...the food LCW eat and feed our 22 homeless guests is dumpster dived. I'm not claiming to be "perfect just forgiven!" I'm following Jesus I'm not asking anyone to follow me!
"Ciaron if you did not delete my comments then it was indymedia itself if this is true then your views of RTE would also apply to indymedia is that correct?"
Doug read the "Lost Revolution"
https://www.indymedia.ie/article/94239?search_text=official+IRA
about the influence of the Stalinist Officila IRA in Ireland's national broadcaster RTE
"I can't believe you have friends and family members that have been sexually abused and still try to shift the attention away from Catholic Priests, ..."
Doug I was an altarboy for 8 years, we had a pedophile curate who raped a number of kids, he was promoted to head the Catholic Media Office in Brisbane (he finallywnet to jai for other rapes decades later)...Doug, you have a good point here. The crime of cover up in amongst the Catholic Church bureaucrats was probably worse and more premeditated than the crimes themselves. I know kids/ now adults who were recruited to the child porn ring that caused the Fitzgerald Inquiry...the people who did the time were the cop from Queensland Police Juvenile Aid who ran the "Stranger Danger" program and a high profile ABC dusc jockey (there wer many others involved). You can't tell me that the cops and the ABC were no aware of their activities and turned a blind eye.
I'm from Queenlsland, the leader of the Labout Party was jailed for screwing under aged girls in the Parliamentary Annexe....Doug this shit is prolific in Australia...not to mention all the Australian sex tourism to Philipines, West Timor, Thailand etc etc.....is it an "Australian" problem a "Catholic" problem...no, to think so is a distraction and a decoy to engagnikng a serious issuein Australian society. I have relative by marriage (now seceased) who was shipped out to W.A. as a child..sexually and physically abused there. There's a lot of post traumatic stuff out there Doug from seual abuse, war, abortion etc etc...these a sensitive issues. I'm not sure if you have this history Doug, if you do this is not te firum to process those issues. The internet is a vulgar forum.
The Catholic Curch bureaucrats have fallen so heavyon the sex abiuse issue...because tha's where they put all their chips in terms of morality...such asilence around matters economic, war etc...all part of the Constatine compromise and shift in the 3rd. century
"Ciaron who is the fool now?not me."
We are all fools Doug...
"For the silence of the wise, we as fools must speak!"
Padraig Pearse
"As for Bradley Manning if he had half a brain he would have seen how the military treat returned service men in Vietnam with agent orange and Gulf syndrome vets from gulf war 1 and see they are pawns in the game of war, it is fools like him that make it possible to have wars in the first place so he gets no sympathy from me"
Bradley Manning has a brain and a conscience and courage...that is why he will probably never get out of jail...he did not have the privileges you or I hav Doug....he was homeless when he joined the U.S. military...it is the working poor that fight the empire's wars. If they want a college educaton they join the U.S. military. It use be the seminary...see Xanana Gusmao etc etc
REPONSE TO Here we go 'again' John (not verified) on Fri, 27/05/2011 - 1:22am.
I have a few questions Ciarron ?
Fair enough....but as above I do not have the time in the day to answer all these accusations and anyinterest in sharing a lot of private info with ASIO.
See here
https://www.indymedia.ie/article/74114?search_text=Ciaron+O%27Reilly+ASIO
"Who pays you to flit around the world ?"
No one pays me...CW is a voluntary movement of 180 autonomous and inclusive communities takes no state funding or gets funding fromt eh RCC bureaucracy
...I get 20 quid a week drinking money at Giuseppe Conlon House...i work hard but have no job or boss.
I do not flit aorund the world..From '79 to '89 I lived on Boundary St. West End in Brisbane.
I scored work as a schoolteacher that paid for my transport to the U.S. (the U.S. federal prion system look after all expenses for 13 months after we nonviolently disabled a B52 on the eve of Gulf War 1)...I've worked a fruit picker, house painter and a poverty pimp in mainstream charity homeless shelters in Brisbane, Dublin....when people ask me to speak somewhere they usually pay transport and buy me a pint...sometimes I get a cash donation. If I have a specific reistance project, I put out a flyer on thie issues ot be addressed by the witness before the action and a request for donations..this is how I got to Jabiluka in '98...I got back to do the rest of the jail time...when a Christian Brother gave me his return flight to Darwin he wasn't going to use. I've just returned from Dublin to London last night after witnessing against the Queen and Obama..a fomer CW paid my fare, a radical priest and an athies uni lecturer provided my accomodation...I paid for most of myown pints and people who respectmy unpaid work bought me a few. The CWin Australia recieves very few donations...we made our living baking bread, making soap and candles and day labour...founded and ran a shop Justice Products (een going since '84) on Boundary St West End but that rarely broke even
Now John you tell us how you get by financially...I've showed you mine, you show me yours?
"Who runs this so called independent media ?"
Dunno ask them...there's contact details on this screen somehwere!
"My suspicion leads me to the RCC, known for its lies and all many of abuses as mentioned by Doug above"
You're very wrong there no funding from RCC bureaucats...there are 1.2 billion Catholics, when Arlo ("Aice's Restaurant", "Victo Jara", son of Woody) Guthrie became a Catholic in the '70's he said it was the most pluralistic phenomenon he ever encountered.
I know this tears down the straw man you have constructed and find comforting, but are you looking for the truth here or just trying to diaplay your sectarian pejudices?
Don't disagree with most of your facts Ciarron but don't assume being a 'catholic' makes you a christian.
Journalist: "Mr Joyce, now that you have left the Catholic Church, do you plan to become a protestant?"
James Joyce: "I hve lost my faith, not my mind!"
My knowledge of the RCC only makes me realise how powerfull they, by having you on their payroll they are making you give consent to all their ways."
You need to expand your knowledge..."the truth will set you free!"
(scriptual quote, heading of the Bolivian website hosting WikiLeaks)
"If you believe in Jesus Christ call yourself a christian.
If you depise the evils of this world as you say you do, then you have a conscience, evidently we all have one of those but many don't have a heart attached."
Thanx for the advice mate but I prefer to locate myself in the creative tension between a 2,000 year old tradition and the prophetic....saes me from being sel refernetial and subjesct to moods and transient trends
"I don't know if this post will be allowed by big brother but as long as whoever deletes it , reads it first , I don't care. mission accomplished...."
Big Brother" seems pretty tolerant here on this site., they do a pretty good volunatry job here methinx,,,,
Response to Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 27/05/2011 - 11:56am.
It seems that despite taking a brave stand against war & imperialism, the author is attacked here for his religous beliefs. Don't be disheartened because you are setting an example of resistance to power while your critics are sniping from the sideline at the people they should be supporting despite differences in regards the issue of Catholicism that is not directly related to stopping the madness of war."
Thanx mate. appreciated...
I have made it my mission to take down these filthy animals
Ciaron let me tell you a bit about my self I too have traveled the world mostly in 3rd world countries and have seen the way the priest prey on these poor children I have made it my mission in life to take down these filthy animals, and have succeeded many times I have watched Priests tell lies from the pulpit in the house of God to protect there fellow pedophile priests thats when I turned on the Catholic church not God because they betrayed my trust and made me ashamed to be a Catholic. I have had priests tell me to "fuck off"for exposing the truth to the parish about another priests child abuse just after he told me to "fuck off"I knocked him out the look on his face as he hit the ground was priceless .I caught a Christian brother on a boat trying to have his way with a young boy in a cabin one day so I threw him over board the piece of shit made it ashore when I told the locals what happened they went to the mission with knifes and spears to finish him off they were not going to let him leave the country alive but the Catholic church did the usual and protected him and sneaked him out of the country on a fishing boat at night.The look of terror on the face of the parish priest was great I told the Parish priest if any more pedophiles came to the area he would be meeting the devil very soon needless to say the catholic church pulled out of the area soon after. Mission accomplished !.
I have spent a lot of time in PNG, Soloman Islands,Hati and many countries in Africa I am not anti catholic just anti pedophile the only people in the catholic church today that can hold their heads high are the Nuns.
Ciaron the next time you are with Priests tell them I am coming after them I'm on a mission from God
Ciaron you seem proud to have been in gaol In my experience it is weak people who try to be tuff brag like you about being in gaol you got caught you wanker ha ha.The Catholic workers must be desperate to take on criminals like you.I suspect you suffer from little mans disease and are as weak as piss.
Name one Australian city that has a crime rate like Dublin you are a Wanker what Australian city has assasination every 2 or 3 weeks? none thats how many just admit the truth Ireland is not a peaceful country you have been caught out speaking crap.
Love your enemies is your excuse for helping the enemy just face it as an Irish man you helped England the Enemy you traitor shame on you Ciaron you should change you name to a English name it would suit you better.
You don't have enough time to respond to untruths and half truths you are full of it and can't admit you have been caught speaking shit more like it.
you should wake up and help clean our back yard (The Catholic Church) so we can be proud Catholics again
I dare you to go to Israel and protest at their air base
Ciaron looked you up on the internet your not Irish you were born in Australia you are Australian you wanker.Whats the go with the dreadlocks did you know that only black people can be a Rasta you pretender or are you just a feral who doesn't like to wash you smelly pig.
you are nonviolent shit stirrer no balls hey!
Ciaron instead of hitting weak targets I dare you to go to Israel and protest at their air base hit the real trouble makers but can't see you have the balls you pick targets for publicity your a hey look at me every one type of person attention seeker.I'll give you a clue don't mouth off about the IRA in Ireland they wont cop your nonviolent shit there.
Ciaron I left school at 15 thats my excuse for not being able to spell but you were a teacher and you can't spell for shit uni was a waist of time for you.
wish I looked you up first because if I did I would not of lowered my self to reply to your comments .
So at the end of the day your just a lazy bastard that does not want to work, you looser.
to Ciaron ...
Thanks for your honesty Ciaron.
Sorry I sounded so 'Big Brotherish' !
You are doing an honorable thing Ciaron, I should not have judged you but I should have pulled the plank out of my own eye .
I am on a claytons benefit , disability without actually getting it and the net has been the only way I have been able to express my views without being 'assaulted'.
My grandad was a manning ! heh makes me laugh but no matter, whoever is incarcerated has my prayers.
We are all sinners, if only Doug would realise this ?
Anyway I am sure this has made for some interesting reading, it's great to see you are doing what you love Ciaron, maybe one day I will bump into you in Brisso, an old hunting ground for me also, remember Cloudlands ? and the Beehive ?
take care all
remember to be mercifull doug ?
Re: to Ciaron ...
John I do realize we are all sinners I sin too but pedophiles make more than a sin and we should show no mercy for these filthy animals and people who hide the truth about them,Kill them all!
Re: to Ciaron ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo
Last response to Doug....
"Ciaron looked you up on the internet your not Irish you were born in Australia you are Australian you wanker."
Q. What's the difference betwen white Australia and yoghurt?
A. Leave yoghurt alone for 200 years and it'll develop a culture!
The diaspora is vacuum packed Doug, that's why the most German people you'll meet aren't in Germany...ther in Pennsylvania Doug, the Amish, the Bruderhof, the Menonites etc etc
Doug I think we've decended into a co-dependent abusive relationship here...I can't keep up with your flood of ignorance, you overflow every logical dyke I construct.
Another Irish tourist brain damaged in Brisbane in the last 48 hours right there in the overpoliced City Mall (I should know I was arrested for free speech there sveral times...so your stats...what's stats... on crime in Ireland are as useless as your sychophancy for the U.S. empire and mocking of Manning.
Doug, do yourself afavour and watch "Wind that Shakes the Barley" by Ken Loach and Paul Laverty
https://www.indymedia.ie/article/76749?search_text=ken+loach+ploughshares
.....Doug the problem with your sad excuse for Irish/American/Australian nationalism...is the same as the Zionists who think they have a monopoly on human suferring and oppression as a mandate to become the new oppressors, or play the water carrier role the empire assigns them.
Thankfully my Dad group up in an Irish Republican family informed by the socialism of James Connoly...he could see what was happening to aborigines is what happened to us, what happened to the East Timorese is wat happened to us, what is happening to the Afghanis and Iraqis what happened to us etc etc...all at the hands of empire.
"I dare you to go to Israel and protest "
Friends are setting sail for Gaza within the month, they will face guns and bullets paid for and supplied by the American empire
"Ciaron I left school at 15 thats my excuse for not being able to spell but you were a teacher and you can't spell for shit uni was a waist of time for you."
Doug it's waste not waist and the accusation of mispelling is one of desperation..calling the pot calling the kettle watever...there's a difference between mispelling and a typo Doug
wish I looked you up first because if I did I would not of lowered my self to reply to your comments ."
Good one Doug, you have tried to bully me here on this site and you have failed. I accept your surrender, try to do it honorobaly.
If I can survive living in a cage ini a Texas County Jailf for 9 months with 140 men who hate gringoes as the only gringo. If I can survive two weeks in the same Boggo Rd.yard as Nathan
http://www.cooldudesandhotbabes.com/jones.html
.....your milktoast Doug .
I got on great with the Rastas in Loussianna Fed Pen.... went to their Friday night prayers and turned out as the only whiteboy in their football team, they didn't seem to have the same hangups with race and sectarianism you seem to have..
"You've got enemies Doug and I'm not one of them!" (johnny Rotten to some anonymous coward..kind like you Doug... who threw a full can of lager at the old man when I saw da Sex Pistols in Ireland
Have a nice day Doug..and odn;t school get in the way of an education.
Ireland is a shit place to live and Australia is not
Ciaron you grew up in a Republican family and went and worked in ENGLAND for free WTF
Did something happen to you in gaol?is that why you hang out with Priests now?
you must be on drugs every thing you say is crap.
Australia is the best country on earth your cut because you are not allowed back but then again Ireland is a good place for you because there is no work there which suits a bludger like you down to the ground.
so your a white catholic rasta now you are a wanker Ciaron.
I notice you are keeping away from the Pedophile priest issue Ciaron got no come back on that one.
Another murder in Clondakin Dublin in the last 48 hours a man shot dead in the back seat of his car.Whats you point Ciaron ? Are you sure Ireland is a peaceful country? because I think you are full of shit if you do.
And there you go again supporting the British economy paying money to see a shit pommy band like the sex pistols the Irish should have bombed the pommy scum bag when he was in Ireland.WTF has some wanker throwing a can at a sex pistol concert got to do with me you are drug fucked Ciaron and if you are not on drugs how can you get into the sex pistols or is it a image thing like you hair doo.
Ciaron I'm not trying to bully you just letting you know I think you are a shit talker and a pretender.
As for America I would rather live by their rules than the rules they have in Iraq or Afghanistan what about you?Because if you were living in Iraq or Afghanistan you know they would have killed you not locked you up.Yeh lets stick up for a country that treats their women like shit because of their culture,If thats culture I am glad that Australia is not like yoghurt.
Q.whats the difference between Australia and Ireland
A.Ireland is a shit place to live and Australia is not
Digging a hole for yourself on this thread
"that why you hang out with Priests now?"
Catholic Worker is lay Catholic movement.
http://catholicworker.org
"you are not allowed back but then again Ireland is a good place for you"
Ciaron is allowed back in Australie. He was here recently. You maybe confusing him with the other Australian born human rights activist based in London, Peter Tatchell, who the Australian government won't let back into Australia.
"I notice you are keeping away from the Pedophile priest issue Ciaron got no come back on that one."
Ciaron refered to his experience of a pedophile priest in an early comment on this thread. He seems to be arguing that Catholic priests don't have a monopoly in this crime.
"Another murder in Clondakin Dublin in the last 48 hours a man shot dead in the back seat of his car.Whats you point Ciaron ? Are you sure Ireland is a peaceful country?"
Where does Ciaron refer to "Ireland as a peaceful country"...wasn't he in Dublin protesting the Irish government's complicity with the U.S. military at Shannon Airport. (Remember the original article that you don't seem to be commenting on at all.)
"shit pommy band like the sex pistols"
Johnny Roteen was born in Ireland. See his autobiugraphy "No Dogs, No Blacks. Bo Irish"
"WTF has some wanker throwing a can at a sex pistol concert got to do with me you"
You are as anonymous as the can thrower. Is Doug your real name or does it relate the hole you are digging for yourself on this thread?
"Ciaron I'm not trying to bully you just letting you know I think you are a shit talker and a pretender."
It doesn't seem that Ciaron values your opinion, maybe because it is couched in so much abuse and irrelevancy?
"As for America I would rather live by their rules than the rules they have in Iraq or Afghanistan what about you?"
America had a procative alliance with fundamentalist Islam throughout the 50 year Cold War to wipe out the socialist project...from Indonesia to the Middle East. It worked now they are turning on each other...doesn't stop the Bush family doing business with the Bin Laden and Saudi family. See Mihael Moore's "Farenheit 911".
"Q.whats the difference between Australia and Ireland
A.Ireland is a shit place to live and Australia is not"
I've heard the term "self hating Jew" as a term of abuse for any Jewish critics of the state of Isarael...but a "self hating Paddy" this is a new one.
Best little country in the world mate. Pity it was bit on aboriginal genocide and Irish convict slave labour...history of serving the British Empire (Sudan, Boer War, W1, WW2, Malaysia), U.S. (Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, now busy jumping ship to sevice the growing Cinese Empire.
But if you're happy to live in the United States of Amnesia, you probably don't remember that far back you glorified Afrikaan.
Aboriginal genocide was wrong I think all Australians know that
Ciaron refers to Ireland as a peaceful country in a comment that was deleted by someone!WHICH IS AS GOOD AS SAYING HE WAS SPEAKING CRAP.
If catholic priest don't have a monopoly on Pedophilia name one organisation that spends as much money hiding covering up and protecting Pedophiles as the catholic church does? there is none,they do hold the monopoly thats why I find it a bit rich for a catholic organisation to be criticizing anyone else when the problems they have should be cleaned up first before they start pointing the finger.
The sex pistols were a shit based pommy band that payed tax to England that makes them a pommy band.
Unlike the pig arrogant Jews you are allowed to speak out about what is wrong with Ireland you will find most people in Ireland say it has gone down hill and Dublin is out of control, the truth is the truth we have to fix it not deny it. So to say I'm a self hating Irishman is going down the road of jewish propaganda dont fall for their shit but thats another story. Just the same as Ciaron hangs it on Australian culture or the lack of it you can't call him a self hating white man can you? if it's true then it's true but I think that is what makes Australia a great place .It's also the same as I hate what the catholic church is doing I am ashamed of that but I dont hate my self I try to get the truth out there and not cover it up in hope it will change.
Aboriginal genocide was wrong I think all Australians know that.
verbal abuse basic to what there is of"white Australian culture"
hopefully this is winding down and it is a pity it got so verbally abusive as there ar good insights on all sides...but verbal abuse (eg. sledging) is basic to what there is of "white Australian culture". There is a link between this dynamic in Australia and censorship, self cenorship. the "tall poppy syndrome", a confusion betwennotions of democracy and collective mediocrity. These strains are also heavy in colonised (800 years) Irish culture. Maybe that's where white Australia gets it from (like Aussie Rules come from Gaelic football)
"Ciaron refers to Ireland as a peaceful country in a comment that was deleted by someone!"
Can't recall that.
"If catholic priest don't have a monopoly"
They obviously don't, see the thriving Australian sex tourism industry to Asia. See it in mainstream advertising industry etc
"pedophile"
means love of children, I don't see it as a n appropriate term to describe the sexual abuse of children
"on Pedophilia name one organisation that spends as much money hiding covering up and protecting Pedophiles as the catholic church does? there is none",
good point
"they do hold the monopoly"
you ruin your good point by coming to this conclusion. It is self evidenty wrong. As wrong as saying the boy scouts, swimming coaches, medical proffession, Australian sex tourists have a monopoly.
"thats why I find it a bit rich for a catholic organisation to be criticizing anyone else when the problems they have should be cleaned up first before they start pointing the finger."
The Catholic Worker has a long 78 year history of pacifist resistance to all wars...Spanih Civil War, WW2, Vietnam, Palestine, Vietnema, Iraq, Afghanistan etc etc The Catholic Worker plays a prphetic role in the Catholic Church. Many church bureaucrats would rather the Catholic Worker leave the church, the Catholic Worker haven't they are a more of problem for the church bureacrats including those who have covered up child abuse) staying in the church than leaving.
Your argument would be that because F.I.F.A is corrupt that we should all give up watching and playing soccer.
"The sex pistols were a shit based pommy band that payed tax to England that makes them a pommy band."
Johhny Rotten was born in Ireland, raised in London and like most London Irish of that time was the victim of racial/ ethnic abuse. The only place people don't experience abuse for mereley being Irish is in the 26 counties, in the 6 counties you could pay with your life for claiming Irish identitiy (eg wearing a Celtic FC scarf...an obviously Irish team based in Glasgow, Scotland), in Australia they had ads for jobs "Catholics need not apply", they don't call cops cars in Australia "paddy wagon" (aka "nigger wagon") for nothing.
Are you saying that Chris Bailey of "The Saints" is not ethnically Irish. There are 40 million U.S. citizens claiming Irish identity. There are approx 35 million Irish passport holders.
"Unlike the pig arrogant Jews you are allowed to speak out about what is wrong with Ireland "
Again read the orginal article, Ciaron recently went to Dublin to protest the Queen and Obama as commanders in chiefs in the wars Ireland (neutral country consititutionally) ha been dragged into over the last 10 years. He experienced a police state worse than Queensland in the '70's, there was no free speech in Queensland then or (free movement) in Dublin during the Queen's visit last week.
"You've got rights as long as use don't use them!"
The Clash "Know your Rights (is this another shit pommy band?) Strummer played with The Pogues...a band from London that is clearly identified as Irish
"you will find most people in Ireland say it has gone down hill and Dublin is out of control, the truth is the truth we have to fix it not deny it."
That's true. A lot of it has to do with corruption (how much this has to do with 800 colonisation is an interesting question...as the money made during the Celtic Tiger went offshore and not into civil society..the notion of "getting one over on the Brits/ authority" seems to tbe the ongoing base of this popuar acceptance of corruption in modern Ireland.
There was very little crime in West Belast under the Provisional IRA, but do you want to live in a society policed like that? Pretty brutal. This is probably why the Taliban, Islamic Courts of Justice in Somalia are popular as well they bring order to chaos...but at what price. The Quensland, NSW, Vic police (see "Animal Kingodom") have ther own prblemas they police the poor on behalf of the rich under capitalsim.
"Just the same as Ciaron hangs it on Australian culture or the lack of it you can't call him a self hating white man can you?"
I think that was a joke or riddle to make a point to explain why many people in Australia (& the U.S.) describe their ethnic identitity with a hyphen Irish- American, Greek-Australian, Afro-American...that's fair enough and helpful in the discussion about ethnic identitiy. It's no threat.
"if it's true then it's true but I think that is what makes Australia a great place .It's also the same as I hate what the catholic church is doing I am ashamed of that but I dont hate my self I try to get the truth out there and not cover it up in hope it will change."
Australia (like most places) is a great place and a terrible place...not mutually exclusive. "Shame" should be temporary, fix it and move on. We all have a part of the truth and can help each other to piece the big picture together. Verbal abuse is not helpful although it is celebrated in Australia (and Ireland...soft forms - teasing, sledging, banter etc etc)
"Aboriginal genocide was wrong I think all Australians know that."
If they know it they should address it. 2% of the population, 30% of the prison population. In NT 90%.
billions of dollars of catholic hush money
Paddy wagon is a American term it comes from New York where most police were Irish thus the police vehicles were called Paddy Wagons.It was about the people driving them not the people arrested and transported in them.
The Irish government had to clamp down during the Queens visit if any one had of Bombed her or shot her the Irish cause would have had no sympathy world wide it would have done more harm than good (even though I would have laughed if it had of happened)So it was done to protect Ireland rather than the Queen.The old bitch nearly said said England was wrong ,not long now and Ireland will be united again.
Like I said name one organisation that spent as much money as the catholic church on pedophiles.Not the boy scouts not swimming coaches not the medical proffession not the sex tourism trade it is the catholic church that spend the hush money and money to hide pedophile priests you can't hide from that it's billions not millions of dollars.
Doug, we need more Catholics like you to speak out!
Good on you Doug.Stick by your guns you are right.We need more Catholics like you to speak out!
Doug you got them on the run well done!
I recall Ciaron saying "Ireland was a peaceful country"because Doug replied to the first comment that was left by Ciaron on the 24/5/11 it is no longer there. He also left the statement it "only takes someone to shout" and Doug copied the comment on his reply.
Doug you got them on the run well done!
Speak truth to power
Ciaron O'Reilly has spoken truth to power about peace and social justice for decades. The level of negative energy he has attracted on this post should perhaps be reserved for those prosecuting wars not fighting them! Power to the peaceful and respect to Ciaron and other brave fighters for peace.
OBAMA speaks like JESUS and kills like HEROD
OBAMA, he speaks like JESUS and kills like HEROD! True for any president of the USA.
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