Hit the road 'brother' - Bruce Woodley, chairman of the Wirlu-murra Yindjibarndi Aboriginal Corporation

By National Indigenous Times reporter Gerry Georgatos - courtesy of the National Indigenous Times - http://www.nit.com.au/news/2299-hit-the-road-twiggy.html - Wednesday 28, November 2012
In a suite of staggering admissions the Chairman of the Wirlu-murra Yindjibarndi Aboriginal Corporation, Bruce Woodley, has confirmed allegations by Perth based lawyer Kerry Savas, to the National Indigenous Times on October 31, that the Wirlu-murra were a "quickly formed front" to enable the Fortescue Metals Group to circumvent negotiations with the federally prescribed Native Title body, the Yindjibarndi Aboriginal Corporation, to secure mining rights on Yindjibarndi lands in the Pilbara worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

So incensed at the way he and his committee members have been treated and stage-managed by FMG operatives in negotiations to access their iron ore rich lands Mr Woodley has told the National Indigenous Times that he will take a public stand against FMG to unite his people and he will ask his Board to end what he said is FMG's hand in guiding litigation against their fellow Yindjibarndi.

I was welcomed by Mr Woodley, twice, while he is in Royal Perth Hospital for dialysis – he endures renal and liver failure – and for a broken collarbone and shoulder sustained in a fall – arriving from Roebourne with the Royal Flying Doctor. We spent 5 and half hours together. Mr Woodley is the uncle of the Yindjibarndi Aboriginal Corporation (YAC) Chief Executive Officer, Michael Woodley.

Our first interview, three hours long, took place last Friday morning however I felt it necessary because of the significance of the allegations and the reputations at stake that Mr Bruce Woodley should have the opportunity to read the story and be allowed to recant, to ask me to withdraw the story, or to make changes or stand by it. I was welcomed by him once again the next day where we spent another two half and hours together, and during this time I read out the story and we went through it item by item and quote by quote. Both meetings were witnessed by a lawyer.

As a result of exclusive interviews to the National Indigenous Times in recent weeks by Mr Savas, who represented the Wirlu-murra for 18 months, allegations of FMG trying to rig a land use deal have reverberated around the nation with major news programs running Mr Savas' claims and at every turn FMG's representatives rejecting them. However in what will surely be a shock to FMG, the highest ranking officer of the Wirlu-murra Yindjibarndi Aboriginal Corporation, Mr Bruce Woodley, has supported the litany of allegations by Mr Savas.

Mr Bruce Woodley has laid bare as false claims by FMG it was not directly and actively involved in the formation of the Wirlu-murra breakaway group for the purpose of circumventing the legally constituted Yindjibarndi Aboriginal Corporation so the mining company could obtain access to mining rights to the rich Yindjibarndi iron ore lands for a much lower price than the Yindjibarndi people had demanded.

In a series of damaging allegations against the conduct of FMG in its dealing with the Yindjibarndi people Mr Bruce Woodley has claimed many of the promises by FMG to the Wirlu-murra for initiatives such as employment and funds to improve housing conditions for the Wirlu-murra people have not happened.

The Wirlu-murra were told by a former FMG employee, Michael Gallagher, who now works for the Wirlu-murra to stop discussions with the Yindjibarndi Aboriginal Corporation in trying to find a settlement between the two groups. The Wirlu-murra group was told by this same former FMG employee not to accept an invitation from the Yindjibarndi Aboriginal Corporation to join in discussions with another mining company - Rio Tinto - for a Land Use Agreement worth potentially hundreds of millions of dollars to their Yindjibarndi people.

That agreement they chose not to attend on the advice of Gallagher is now reaching final stages of negotiation. Earlier this year the Yindjibarndi Aboriginal Corporation offered the Wirlu-murra as an act of goodwill, half of an advanced preliminary negotiation phase payment worth $1 million but again Gallagher told them not to accept. Mr Woodley said the Wirlu-murra group have been told not to enter into discussions with other mining groups because "it would upset Fortescue."

Much of Bruce Woodley's claims verify the claims made by the lawyer, Kerry Savas who has revealed over the last several weeks the actions of FMG in the creation of the Wirlu-murra organisation. Mr Woodley said he holds Mr Savas in high regard and maintains a close friendship with him from his time as their legal representative.

Mr Bruce Woodley confirmed there had been increasing dissent among some members of the Yindjibarndi Aboriginal Corporation when years passed in their failing to secure a land use agreement with FMG while Yindjibarndis languished impoverished. He said FMG personnel organised one on one meetings with certain Yindjibarndi to discuss 'options'. "The meeting at the beach (Palm Beach on the Dampier on Saturday 28 August 2010) did happen. I was there, it was organised by FMG for us to form Wirlu-murra corporation. There was a great barbecue by Nina (White) and we agreed to start the new group and let FMG negotiate with us. FMG promised this but has given us nothing yet; very little, no education, training, jobs, no upgrades and no fixing of services. We don't want their handouts."

The Wirlu-murra website does refer to 16 Wirlu-murras who completed 'VTEC traineeships' from FMG and are now employed within FMG enterprises.

Mr Bruce Woodley said FMG controls the Wirlu-murra through Michael Gallagher. Mr Gallagher terminated his employment with Fortescue to undertake consultancy roles with the Wirlu-murra. Mr Savas who worked alongside Gallagher and lived with him for four months at a $2,000 a week rental paid by FMG at Port Samson, 18km from Roebourne said "Michael Gallagher is their 'inside man'." According to Mr Bruce Woodley, Mr Gallagher is now Wirlu-murra's 'Native Title Manager'. "I am frustrated by Michael (Gallagher) because he manipulates our Board. The Board has one agenda and Michael has another agenda, and Michael gets his way."

According to the Wirlu-murra website under 'Land Access Agreement with FMG' a Wirlu-murra "management team is negotiating a land access agreement with Fortescue Metals Group to provide the economic foundation for an extensive contracting and consultancy business. At the same time, the Board will begin the development of housing and community support programs. Our Directors are ensuring that our heritage is respected by conducting comprehensive heritage surveys at the FMG Solomon mine."

Mr Bruce Woodley spoke freely about his concerns.

"Earlier this year when we tried to make peace between Yindjibarndi people (YAC and Wirlu-murra) ... we met at the basketball courts without white fellas there but Bruce (Thomas) kept on driving by and calling out to us if we were alright and for the women to leave and come back," said Mr Bruce Woodley. Mr Thomas is the Wirlu-murra's Business Manager, a non-Aboriginal person.

"It is nearly two years since (FMG) promised us many things but we have no programs yet, we have no funds from Fortescue but only the money they pay the lawyers with," said Mr Bruce Woodley. Mr Savas has said that FMG has paid legal bills for the Wirlu-murra in excess of $1.5 million however the majority of Wirlu-murra Yindjibarndi continue to live in poverty and many in dilapidated homes.

Mr Bruce Woodley said that FMG does pay sitting fees of a few hundred dollars for Wirlu-murra who attend various public meetings and events, and that the more senior Wirlu-murra Elders are paid 'Christmas money' of a few thousand dollars at the end of year however he said "We are not after handouts, we after the promises to help our people and our communities."

"Michael (Gallagher) stands in the way of all our ideas and opportunities. When a mining company that is not FMG comes to us, or we go to them, for a joint venture it doesn't matter how much they will pay ... Michael stops it."

"On my land I want to start an earthworks business, and my land is next to Solomon (FMG mine), Pannawonica and Rio Tinto (mines) but FMG has not done anything for me and my family and Michael (Gallagher) said I shouldn't do anything with Rio and Pannawonica. This is my land, my country and he should not tell me. I am the Elder of the land and my father is buried on this land."

Mr Woodley said that most of the Wirlu-murra were keen to bridge the divide between themselves and the Yindjibarndi Aboriginal Corporation, however he said Mr Gallagher opposes this.

"Michael (Gallagher) manipulates some of our members and has a couple of them doing his miserable work arguing us down even if we are the majority of the Board in favour of a resolution or proposition."

"One of them (minority Board member) says to me, 'shut up old man and sit down'."

Mr Bruce Woodley said the Wirlu-murra approached Rio Tinto to negotiate mining rights with them however Rio Tinto representatives said that they could not do this and that they would only negotiate through the federally prescribed body which was and remains at this time YAC. However, they said that they wanted to see all Yindjibarndi peoples benefit from any land use agreement. YAC CEO Michael Woodley invited the Wirlu-murra to make up 50 per cent of the delegation to the Rio Tinto meetings. Bruce Woodley accepted and wanted to attend however he said Mr Gallagher forbade him from attending. "Michael (Gallagher) would not let us go, he said we shouldn't and that FMG would not be happy and no longer deal with us," said Mr Bruce Woodley.

Rio Tinto is settling on a $15 million advance payment to the YAC with $2 million already paid to the YAC. Michael Woodley offered half of the preliminary payment - $1 million to the Wirlu-murra. "It was the right thing to do," said Mr Michael Woodley.

"Yes, Michael offered us the $1 million, and FMG has given us nothing in all this time. I thought this was good from YAC and the money would help our people, so I agreed with Michael and for us to live and work in peace but Michael Gallagher he said 'no'," said Bruce Woodley.

The National Indigenous Times is in possession of a hand written letter from 'Uncle Bruce Woodley' to Michael Woodley in which Bruce Woodley writes that Mr Gallagher 'said no' to convening a meeting to settle the peace deal.

The YAC sent two letters to the Wirlu-murra pursuing 'peace' – and offering half the first payment with the condition that all court litigation ceases. The peace deal recognises the Wirlu-murra association. "Michael's deal was good for all of us. We are family and friends and community and I agreed." The YAC also offered that heritage work would be split between both groups. "There is great knowledge in the people on both sides, and YAC said the heritage and survey work could be split," said Mr Savas.

"But Michael (Gallagher) said 'no'. I think he wants us to stay poor, to have nothing, to need FMG," said Mr Bruce Woodley.

"FMG wants to keep us poor. They want us to need them all the time," he said while undergoing hours of dialysis.

"(Michael Gallagher) never explains the reasons why he doesn't let us have joint ventures with other companies, why we can't take the $1 million except that FMG would not be happy." The Wirlu-murra website under 'Joint Ventures and Contracting' reports "WMYAC has started discussions with several major mining contractors with a view to forming profitable joint venture agreements. Further details will be announced in the near future."

An Indigenous Land Use Agreement (ILUA) is being negotiated between YAC and Rio Tinto for mining rights on Yindjibarndi Country which includes uncapped rail tariffs and uncapped mining royalties which were stumbling blocks with Fortescue and YAC.

To put this into perspective, Michael Woodley, YAC CEO told the National Indigenous Times the difference in business dealings between the two mining giants: "The royalty from Rio for all iron mined is not capped and will be 0.5 per cent but FMG is offering only the $4 million per year capped for the life of all FMG mining projects. To understand this better, if for example Rio were mining FMG's Solomon at 60 million tonnes per year, then at $140 per tonne, the royalty at Rio's 0.5 per cent rate would be $42 million per year."

The Deputy Chairman of the Wirlu-murra Paul Aubrey has said that the Rio Tinto deal secured by Michael Woodley was a very good one for the Yindjibarndi. Bruce Woodley said it was impressive and better than anything that could be expected from Fortescue. "Michael (Woodley) showed that he can get a fair deal for our people from Rio Tinto but FMG say that they will not deal with Michael, maybe because they don't want to be fair to us."

Bruce Woodley is furious with "broken promises from Andrew Forrest". White goods sought for families with them have never eventuated – families continue without fridges and air-conditioning and irreparable stoves. "I wrote to Andrew Forrest, as chairman of Wirlu-murra and Alexa Morecombe (FMG Land Access Manager) got angry and told me I upset Andrew Forrest, and that he is a very important man, and I should not write to him again."

"I am not scared of him (Forrest), he is only a human like all of us, he is not different to you or me, he is not more important," said Mr Woodley.

"They have not revived our community as promised, they have not provided vehicles for us to get to our lands, they have not upgraded our school, they have done nothing for us but divide us," said Bruce Woodley.

The revelations are many but one interesting one was in reference to several sets of emailed questions from the National Indigenous Times intended for the Board of the Wirlu-murra and chairman Bruce Woodley. "I have never seen these, they haven't come to our Board," said Mr Bruce Woodley. A non-Aboriginal representative of the Wirlu-murra wrote to the National Indigenous Times that the questions were forwarded to the Board. The same representative returned a statement 'from the Wirlu-murra Board' and this was published in the National Indigenous Times. "I never saw this, I never wrote this and I never signed it," said Mr Bruce Woodley.

As it happened, and by sheer coincidence, Mr Gallagher visited Mr Woodley at hospital after our Friday interview. Mr Gallagher did not know about the interview. During the Saturday meeting between Mr Woodley and I, and with two others present, including a lawyer, Mr Woodley said he asked Mr Gallagher why he was not informed about the suite of questions and why a statement was sent to us purportedly from the Wirlu-murra Board. "He told me there wasn't a Board meeting and that they had to write it." During our Saturday meeting I showed Mr Woodley the statement from 'the Board' and he read it for the first time.

Mr Woodley, the senior most officer and traditional owner of the Wirlu-murra Yindjibarndi Aboriginal Corporation said he had known nothing of major news reports in our newspaper, nor in The Australian in recent weeks by journalist Paul Cleary, or of the ABC 7:30 Report coverage of Mr Savas' claims last Tuesday. He first learned of them from myself. He said Mr Gallagher and Mr Thomas had never made any contact with him about any of it despite him being the chair of the Board.

During the Saturday interview, and proofing of this story, Mr Woodley added, "It is time for our Board to take control of Wirlu-murra... No-one from Wirlu-murra, not me, no-one, goes to any negotiations with any company, just Mr Thomas (Business Manager)... I think Wirlu-murra should go to meetings, to negotiations about us... When I go back to Roebourne I will talk to the Board and I will stand up to Michael (Gallagher). I think it is time for him to move on – to hit the road Jack, FMG too."

"This is what I think."

The 60 year old Senior Elder said "It is time for us to make peace, to not fight in court, to not listen to the white fellas who divide us and who do not keep their promises. It is time for our heart to be one, our people together, and for our Board to stand up against FMG," said Mr Bruce Woodley (see letter this page).

After the Friday interview I relayed some of Bruce Woodley's comments to his nephew Michael Woodley, a usually larger than life figure, quite charismatic and stoic, however I noted that he choked back emotion when he said, "When you see my uncle in the morning Gerry, please tell him from me I love him and I look forward to his coming home soon."

LINKS:

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3637169.htm
Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Broadcast: 20/11/2012
Reporter: Bronwyn Herbert
Fortescue Metals Group has had its East Pilbara iron ore operations caught in disputes over conflicting information, conflicts of interest and the authority of traditional owners.
Transcript
LEIGH SALES, PRESENTER: One of Australia's richest iron ore miners, Andrew "Twiggy Forrest", is embroiled in a bitter dispute with local land owners over a multibillion dollar project in Western Australia's Pilbara region. Mr Forrest's company, Fortescue Metals Group, has long boasted of providing jobs, training and opportunities to Indigenous people. But now it's accused of exploiting divisions in Aboriginal communities, buying the support of traditional owners, and pressuring consultants to write favourable reports. Tonight, an insider who worked with Fortescue for more than a year gives his account of what went on. Bronwyn Herbert reports from Perth.

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3643280.htm
Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Broadcast: 28/11/2012
Reporter: Bronwyn Herbert
The Chairman of a breakaway group of Pilbara land owners says Andrew Forrest's Fortescue Metals Group created and funding his organisation but he now feels frustrated and wants to see changes.
Transcript
LEIGH SALES, PRESENTER: A long-running Native Title dispute involving one of Australia's richest miners took a dramatic turn today.
After years of silence, the highest ranking officer of an Indigenous group has conceded the group was created and funded by Andrew 'Twiggy' Forrest's Fortescue Metals Group.
FMG stands accused of setting up the group in an attempt to secure a cheaper Native Title deal.
Bronwyn Herbert reports from Perth.
BRONWYN HERBERT, REPORTER: This man has been a big part of negotiations with Andrew 'Twiggy' Forrest's company, FMG, to mine billions of dollars of iron ore. But he feels betrayed by the billionaire miner.
BRUCE WOODLEY, CHAIRMAN, WIRLU-MURRA ABORIGINAL CORPORATION: Andrew Forrest came to (inaudible) and said that - that he loved all Aboriginal people. He said that on 16th March. Ya know. Everyone took a bite at that and thought, "Oh, he's a good man here talking to us. He's gonna do - qualify our life up a bit, you know." But nothing has come forward yet.

http://www.nit.com.au/news/2291-woodley-room-for-peace.html
Yindjibarndi Aboriginal Corporation (YAC) CEO Michael Woodley said peace with Fortescue Metals Groups is possible – he said peace is only a "fair deal away". He has been able to secure a "fair deal" with an Indigenous Land Use Agreement (ILUA) with Rio Tinto for his people.

Mr Woodley is prepared to negotiate with Fortescue despite the whistleblower claims by lawyer Kerry Savas of Fortescue...

http://www.nit.com.au/news/2278-conflict-allegations-surface-in-yindjiba...
The National Native Title Tribunal and West Australian State Government may be left with no option but to launch a full inquiry into Fortescue Metals Group's relationship with the Wirlu-murra Yindjibarndi Aboriginal Corporation following claims an...

http://www.nit.com.au/news/2220-native-title-threatened-by-miners-war-of...
Fortescue Metals Group has embarked upon a "war of attrition" using the legal system against the Yindjibarndi Aboriginal Corporation and initiating 25 separate actions through the courts and tribunals of Australia and engaging seven firms of solicitors and seven barristers in a strategy designed to destroy the Yindjibarndi's ability to...

http://www.nit.com.au/news/2218-mining-deal-bombshell-exclusive.html
A lawyer who spent more than a year representing the interests of the Wirlu-murra Yindjibarndi Aboriginal Corporation has claimed the organisation was a "quickly formed front" to enable the Fortescue Metals Group to circumvent negotiations with the Yindjibarndi Aboriginal Corporation to secure mining rights on Yindjibarndi lands in the Pilbara worth...

http://indymedia.org.au/2012/11/19/mining-deal-bombshell-fortescue-and-t...
A lawyer who spent more than a year representing the interests of the Wirlu-murra Yindjibarndi Aboriginal Corporation has claimed the organisation was a "quickly formed front" to enable the Fortescue Metals Group to circumvent negotiations with the Yindjibarndi Aboriginal Corporation to secure mining rights on Yindjibarndi lands in the Pilbara worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

The allegations are serious and point to the multi-billion dollar mining conglomerate trying to use its almost limitless source of funds to create an alternate Aboriginal group that would comply with Fortescue's wishes because it would give them access to rich mining resources for a fraction of the cost they would normally be required to pay to an Aboriginal organisation for permission to mine on its land.

http://indymedia.org.au/2012/12/13/michelle-lovegrove-sbs-interviews-jou...
SBS Living Black Michelle Lovegrove interviews Gerry Georgatos on stark contrasts between Yindjibarndi poverty and the wealth nearby, and then Michelle continues on with an interview with Yindjibarndi Aboriginal Corporation CEO Michael Woodley.
https://www.yousendit.com/download/WUJhYnV5Tk1VVG5MYnNUQw

http://yindjibarndi.org.au/yindjibarndi/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/12110...

http://yindjibarndi.org.au/yindjibarndi/

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In it’s coverage of the Yindjibarndi dispute, The National Indigenous Times has plumbed new depths in the publication of misogynist propaganda targeted at Aboriginal communities.

The breakaway Yindjibarndi group, the Wirlu-Murra, originally included all four women comprising half the Native Title claimants, preferring, apparently, to negotiate an agreement with FMG covering the next four decades which would empower all the community, not just men from Michael Woodley’s immediate family seeking to seize control. One woman returned to the YAC and one has passed. The elder of the four male Native Title claimants has also passed. The split remains between the women and men.

Conflict between parity and male privilege has plagued Aboriginal communities since immigrants introduced the subjugation of women. FMG may well have taken advantage of the men’s intransigence towards the women’s concerns, to deal with the women, but any further profit is far outweighed by four decades of relief the women achieved from the governance of male privilege.

The hopelessly misinformed and lopsided reporting of the NIT on this matter is characteristic of the misogynist approach. On 7 November, 2012 the NIT published a scathing opinion piece on the breakaway group. The text disparaged the four women Native Title claimants as “impoverished individuals, who could not understand the complexities of the proposed agreement”, paternalism of which the Crown would be proud.

The article is embellished with many pictures of Yindjibarndi men celebrating culture. At the very bottom is a single picture of a women with two children, and another of several children, straight up misogynist disparagement of women’s equitable involvement in culture.

No wonder the women walked away from those alleged business savvy men who’s governance under the YAC had impoverished them.

Enthralled with misogyny, the YAC men just don’t appear to get it, and for the present, can’t be reconciled, nit-picking as they are over the detritus of their attempt to seize control for themselves, especially when they attract a chorus of misogynist enterprise seeking their assimilation into the male privileged immigrant tradition with everything they say and do.

Moreover, the manner in which NIT scribe, Gerry Georgatos, snubbed the most senior women in a community that’s held it’s senior women in the highest esteem for tens of thousands of years, raises ethical concerns over whether a PhD candidate, or a journalist for that matter, with abysmal cultural sensitivity, should be allowed anywhere near a remote Aboriginal community.

Did Mr Georgatos receive permission from the ethics committee supervising his PhD to conduct lengthy interviews with a sick person in hospital far from community, accompanied by a lawyer as witness, in pursuit of a campaign to undermine the most senior Yindjibarndi women?

Mr Georgatos and the NIT have climbed aboard a misogynist bullyman’s gravy train and like the Canberra Press Gallery, are steaming full speed ahead to nowhere.

If the NIT is to have any future following it’s support for this insidious campaign, it will be without it’s current editor.

You are writing a lot of armchair rubbish and false statements while hiding behind the anonymity of the internet. Despite the opportunity for anonymity on the internet I put my name to everything - it's the only way, it's my way, it's not my way to hide.

Who are you Philip to be pushing all these claims? And with what reasonable authority do you speak with? I have answered most of your claims, you have answered none of my questions to you. My reporting for the NIT, and my work as a journalist, has nothing to do with my PhD or any Ethics Committee.

Furthermore your discriminatory tone snubs the Wirlu-murra as a whole. Mr Bruce Woodley is the Chair of the Wirlu-murra Board, and I came to meet at his invitation, and I we have met on a number of occasions, and if you read the story you'll know, which you do, what lengths I went to ensure his rights, including the right for him to revoke and withdraw the article - I read him the whole article and I don't know too many journalists who do that or are prepared to pull an article if the subject changes their mind given the opportunity to do so which I did.

Secondly, as noted I have spoken to 1/20th (minimum) of all the Yindjibarndi people - Wirlu-murra Yindjibarndi and Yindjibarndi - and I have spoken with Wirlu-murra board members. Your claims of cultural insensitivity are your usual degeneration into disparagement once we begin an in depth discussion.

Philip, I bother with you despite others telling me not to because in the end you do matter, everyone does.

Gerry

Gerry Georgatos, the Yindjibarndi women Native Title claimants would appear to have chosen to deal directly with FMG rather than allow the community to submit to the clan bullyman for the next four decades. You’ve declined to counter this assertion or made any genuine attempt to address my concerns, favouring indifference, self-promotion and an inference of professional superiority.

Moreover, your inference that Yindjibarndi business has nothing to do with women’s and men’s business is simply the ethnocentric imposition of your immigrant perspective on a traditional Aboriginal community, a community which conducts core women’s business from which men are unwelcome, if advised at all.

You have never indicated in any of your writings that the split within the Yindjibarndi originated with gender symmetry between the four male and four female Native Title claimants, a pivotal oversight. Indeed, you were quick to promote fracture amongst the women by interviewing the one who rejoined the men, most probably to promote a modicum of harmony during a difficult time.

Moreover, your response to me has been archetypally misogynist, immigrant male, a spay of unsubstantiated insults accompanied with the claim, on another item, that you have never encountered misogyny in your dealings with the Yindjibarndi, stock standard fare from the Tony Abbott manual of denial, indifference and obfuscation.

It took me half an hour to review the websites of the YAC and Wirlu-Murra and figure out what stands out like a beacon for anyone with even a passing knowledge of Aboriginal organisational behaviour. I discussed my concern with a YAC member on the private YAC Facebook page, who immediately informed me of the nature of the split, information that’s apparently been withheld from you on country.

Oh, and the last time you contacted me privately about women’s business I responded with information in good faith and never even received the courtesy of an acknowledgement, so I won’t be going down that path again.

Philip,

I can make much of your assumption about any ethnocentric claims to my form and content in terms of an immigrant background. I am born and bred Australian, however you look at my surname and draw your conclusions, and unlike yourself who has drawn various conclusions from some garnered information and called people misogynist I'll spare you similar nescience. Frankly, I know very little of you to assume anything substantive and then have the arrogance to dish it out on the public domain of the internet.

You've drawn your assumptions from a half hour exchange on Facebook with a YAC officer, you say, that's fine for you, however it wouldn't be for me.

Once again, I have been 3 times to Roebourne, once again I note that I have spoken in person with no less than 1/20 the entire Yindjibarndi population - Wirlu-murra Yindjibarni and Yindjibarni. Once again I have spoken, in private and on the public record with a number of members of both Yindjibarndi and Wirlu-murra boards. I have spoken to the women on both sides too. I have heard it all in person, and asked my questions over many hours, I have heard their stories, some heart breaking. This is not about a gender divide, however Philip I'll go the way merely of choosing to agree to disagree with you.

I can't write much more about what is going on up there because it is delicate and reconciliation is every chance despite all.

In terms of you having written to me, I have no recollection of any email by you, I do however receive scores of emails each day. Maybe you have sent me something by Facebook, I have some vague recollection of something like that however it may be true that I failed to respond to you. I am often pressed for time and by many commitments, however where I can I do try.

Regards, Gerry

Philip,

I can make much of your assumption about any ethnocentric cliams to my form and content in terms of an immigrant background. I am born and bred Australian, however you look at my surname and draw your conclusions, and unlike yourself who has drawn various conclusions from some garnered information and called people misogynist I'll spare you similar nescience. Frankly, I know very little of you to assume anything substantive.

You've drawn your assumptions from a half hour exchange on Facebook with a YAC officer, you say, that's fine for you, however it wouldn't be for me.

Once again, I have been 3 times to Roebourne, once again I note that I have spoken in person with no less than 1/20 the entire Yindjibarndi population - Wirlu-murra Yindjibarni and Yindjibarni. Once again I have spoken, in private and on the public record with a number of members of both Yindjibarndi and Wirlu-murra boards. I have spoken to the women on both sides too. I have heard it all in person, and asked my questions over many hours, I have heard their stories, some heart breaking. This is not about a gender divide, however Philip I'll go the way merely of choosing to agree to disagree with you.

I can't write much more about what is going on up there because it is delicate and reconciliation is every chance despite all.

In terms of you having written to me, I have no recollection of any email by you, I do however receive scores of emails each day. Maybe you have sent me something by Facebook, I have some vague recollection of something like that however it may be true that I failed to respond to you. I am often pressed for time and by many commitments, however where I can I do try.

Regards, Gerry

What sort of racism is all this and how have you got away writing all this on this site?

You attack Gerry Georgatos, a journalist with the National Indigenous Times, one of our best who has won awards for investigating journalism, who has written stories no one else would and you write about him "your inference that Yindjibarndi business has nothing to do with women’s and men’s business is simply the ethnocentric imposition of your immigrant perspective on a traditional Aboriginal community" What's wrong with you fella calling Gerry an immigrant? How racist are you going to get? You have a problem with immigrants? with Gerry? I know he is born here. Your racism is offensive let alone obvious. Then you attack him as a misogynist, you attack everyone who doesn't agree with you as misogynist, we don't need you stupidity and your pretenses. Am I a misogynist?

You call Gerry an "immigrant male". I am ashamed to read your crapology.

You attack Yindjibarndi as misogynists, get over yourself. You attack Michael Woodley, their leader as a "clan bullyman", this is absurd, outrageous, and you have a problem you need to be explain instead of attack everyone with crapology.

You write you figured everything out in half an hour while Gerry has investigated all this for yonks and Michael lives everyday what you think you know in minutes.

I've read all your crapology and it is racist, you talk of our people like we are a subject of fascination for you and you describe as "organisatal behaviour" of Aboriginal people, like we are all just one people because we're black or something. Let me tell you we are all different just like you Europeans are different. We are of many cultures and traditions, many histories, different to each other. My Yamatji people are different to my Yuendumu people and heritage and so we are everywhere in this continent. It is racist to call us one and the same "organisationally" and in "behaviour".

It is racist for you to speak on behalf of all Aboriginal women and our business, and it is racist for you to keep telling us what goes on in Yindjarndi and it is you who are exploiting misogyny by trying to use the opportunity that because there are some strong women speaking in Wirlu Murra that the problem is gender, this is your misogyny. Are the Wirlu Murra misogynists because they argue with their women, or is the chairman of the Wirlu Murra, our senior Elder Bruce Woodley misogynist because he spoke out, is Maudi Jerold misogynist for speaking out against FMG and Wirlu Murra board and she is Wirlu Murra?

Why is this crazy man allowed to write rubbish on this site, if his comments are allowed then my comments right back at him should be allowed.

Philip you apologise like "a real man" to all the nations and cultures of Aboriginal people, to Yinjibarndi, to Michael Woodley, to Bruce Woodley, to Gerry Georgatos, to Stephen Hagan and to the National Indigenous Times.

No respect for you, Tyra

How dare you denigrate one of the best journalists, but more importantly one of the best friends and allies of our people in Gerry and how dare you denigrate the voice of our people, the National Indigenous Times, it's our paper, and when you denigrate its editor, Stephen Hagan, who are you to denigrate an Indigenous man, a proud and proper Indigenous man whose father was the first Indigenous man to speak at the United Nations. I am Yamatji, Wongi, Martu and Yuendumu, and of other heritage too, and I am married into Yorta, and I can tell you Mr Philip that Gerry and the National Indigenous Times are voices we respect but I get angry when a white man like you tells us we can do without an Indigenous editor, Stephen Hagan, who are you to talk for our people, or our women, over people like the National Indigenous Times, Stephen and Gerry, and all its Indigenous journalists? Who are you to denigrate our right to speak?

I am angry because in this year of great struggles for our people with many problems swept under the carpet by other media Gerry has stood out and stood strong in bringing the stories that no other journalist or newspaper in the country has.

You have something to say to them say it to their faces and to ours.

Hi Tyra, apologies if explanations of my concerns have upset you. I was born on Bunwurrong land 60 years ago, from Tasmanian Aboriginal descent; brought up and lived with the Melbourne community until the early 1980’s, when I was warned off by authorities with threats against my life after I was returned from applying for political asylum in Sweden, following a prolonged incident in police custody in Bunwurrong country.

Gerry Georgatos is certainly well intentioned, but I would argue, not at all well prepared. And since all I’ve only ever received from him and his associates is ridicule and indifference, I respond in a forthright manner. My background reading on Stephen Hagan comes from his submissions, and my occasional responses, to the ultra conservative forum Online Opinion.

Mr Georgatos’ claim that “there is no misogyny” involved in the Yindjibarndi dispute, is bizarre. The YAC, with a blatantly sexist and discriminatory male CEO and no coexisting women’s equivalent, would appear to have mounted, on evidence obtained from an invitation only YAC Facebook page which I’ve since lodged with the Sovereign Union, a sophisticated global campaign to undermine the authority of senior Yindjibarndi women, nothing misogynist about that? FMG has a board of directors comprising eleven men and not one woman, no misogyny there? Australian courts don’t recognise women’s business, there’s no women’s legislature or provision for a women’s jurisdiction in the Constitution, again, no misogyny? Two distinct systems of law are operating, one of traditional gender parity under siege from the other of immigrant male privilege, not a whiff of misogyny about that? (By ‘immigrant’ I refer to overseas arrivals and their progeny since 1788, consistent with the current conversation on Sovereignty amongst Aboriginal communities - I hadn’t realised so many were not up to scratch on the language used in this conversation.) Unsurprisingly the Wirlu-Murra, at core the women, employ male administrators, the entire region is at the frontier of the imposition on traditional communities of authority derived from the subjugation of women, yet Gerry Georgatos encountered “no misogyny”.

This whole fraught affair is dripping with misogyny, the ground is fair oozing with the fear and loathing of senior women in power, albeit entirely invisible to signed up citizens of Tony Abbott’s Australia. And the women, the true heroes in this dispute, stand strong, such is the strength of the ubiquitous Aboriginal tradition of equitable governance between women and men, a tradition unravelling immigrant misogyny with every day that passes.

Deadly story, unbelievably good. What to from here brothers?

Good for you Bruce Woodley

Go Tyra, you tell Philip man hey sister.

Deadly. Don't get in the way of peace Philip with your hate.

An incredibly good article, a cracker indeed. Impressed that it went places.