that the media lies is not new. that politicians lie is also not new. that the police lie is definitely not new and has been happening for quite some time.
it is also not new that all three entities lie collectively to protect themselves and the police especially. the cover-up and white-wash of the death of tj hickey examples that most easily.
the blame for the rangarella incident shows very clearly that they fear us. they fear our presence in both small and large numbers of those who will not accept their assimilation policies. they are also arrogantly stupid. the cafe is virtually on the edge of the embassy. both gillard and abbot have been disgustingly venal in their attitudes towards aboriginal problems. gillard not only kept howard's nt intervention based on the most dastardly of lies but she is expanding it. this upsets a lot of aboriginal people. on that very day abbot made his usual disparaging and dismissive remark that if and when he became pm then the tent embassy would go. this certainly upset those at our embassy.
so they both attend a medal giving function right on our border. what the hell did they expect? bouquets and kisses? respect? turn the other cheek? not bloody likely.
one of gillard's minders had informed the embassy where abbot was going to be whilst apparently forgetting that we were no more fond of his boss than we were of abbot. he is now moving to, perhaps, greener pastures.
of course we moved to the cafe and why wouldn't we.
a disclaimer. i was not there as i was watching an excellent video called 'keep our campfires burning.' a most impressive video on youth suicide and the stolen generations that was shown at the national library by robert eggington. i highly recommend it.
but i have read the lies and i have read the truths. i have watched as much video footage as i can find. i have sought the opinions of those who were there. whilst our people from the embassy, both black and white, male and female, young and old, even aunty pat eatock in her motorised chair was there.
yes they shouted as loud as possible, yes they banged on the reinforced glass windows of the cafe and yes some moved to the front of the cafe as gillard's police and security detail unceremoniously bundled her out and caused her to lose her blue suede shoe that somehow finished up at the embassy where it was protected from any further abuse. it was later, i believe, handed back to her via her appointed delegate.
gillard showed concern for abbott's safety and security but she was assured that he was well looked after. no apologies are due to either politician, nor to anyone else. one could quite easily suspect that the whole thing was a political set-up. it certainly smells like it.
politicians need to learn respect to others also.
even those they fear.
fkj
ray jackson, president, indigenous social justice association
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Set up by Tony Hodges to look bad, Barbara Shaw fell for it
"That the media lies is not new. that politicians lie is also not new."Ray everyone lies, there are three sides to this story ,your side, the governments side and the truth
"One of gillard's minders had informed the embassy where abbot was going to be whilst apparently forgetting that we were no more fond of his boss than we were of abbot."
The person you call a minder is Tony Hodges he is no more of a minder for the Prime Minister than you are Ray he is a staffer.He did not tell the tent embassy that Abbott was over the road at the Lobby Restaurant, it was Barbara Shaw former political candidate for the Greens.Shaw was informed by Hodges, Ms Shaw admitted she passed on information to the crowd about Mr Abbott's whereabouts
Senior indigenous leaders such as social justice commissioner Mick Gooda and Warren Mundine are dismayed at what happened, but a tent embassy organiser called them "handpicked puppets" who did not represent Aboriginal people.
Ray you were set up by Tony Hodges to look bad and Barbara Shaw fell for it hook line and sinker.
"On that very day abbot made his usual disparaging and dismissive remark that if and when he became pm then the tent embassy would go". this certainly upset those at our embassy."The only problem with that is Abbott did not say that, this is what he said
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUZjlYrQfsA
As you see he did not say"that if and when he became pm then the tent embassy would go"as you see he said nothing like that.
Ray while the biggest protest day for Aboriginal people was happening you were watching videos WTF
"yes they shouted as loud as possible, yes they banged on the reinforced glass windows of the cafe and yes some moved to the front of the cafe"But not you Ray you were watching video's weren't you Ray?.While I will say you had Gillard worried may be even scared Abbott was laughing at you all(watch the footage) because he knew you were all digging a hole for yourselves.Looks like you were the scared one by watching video's and not backing your people, now after the dust has settled you come out to throw your two cents worth in,What should we make of that?
"So they both attend a medal giving function right on our border. what the hell did they expect? bouquets and kisses? respect? turn the other cheek? not bloody likely."Maybe they expected a bit of respect for the people receiving medals and not the usual rent a crowd
Facts wrong
Hodges told Kim Sattler, the secretary of unions ACT, described by the Sun-Herald as "a Murri woman from Queensland". Sattler told Barbara Shaw. Barbara told the camp.
"Senior indigenous leaders such as social justice commissioner Mick Gooda and Warren Mundine" lead no one, they have no mandate from any Aboriginal nation, they are perceived as hand-picked stooges doing the government's bidding.
"yes they shouted as loud as possible, yes they banged on the reinforced glass windows of the cafe and yes some moved to the front of the cafe" - I confirm that, I was there.
No one knew about medals being awarded and no disrespect was directed at the recipients. In fact, we thought what a cheapy way to honour them in an out-of-the-way cafe. Even so, a feel-good function disturbed is nothing against 224 years of barbarism perpetrated on Aboriginal people.
I don't see people coming from the furthest areas of Australia at their own expense as a "rent a crowd".
Who do you speak for, anonymous? Unless you were there, you are not qualified to speak to this at all.
One of the editorial collective
SORRY
"Who do you speak for, anonymous? Unless you were there, you are not qualified to speak to this at all."I speak for myself and if I am not qualified to speak because I was not there may be we can tell Ray jackson, president, indigenous social justice association to refrain from commenting too, he was watching videos as the biggest protest day in the year for Aboriginal people took place.I think he needs to be replaced by someone like your self who is willing to show up to such protests
I was not aware Mick Gooda and Warren Mundine were hand-picked stooges but maybe you would like to delete your self for that personal insult! Or do you only delete comments when another view is taken other than your own?
Can you tell me what you think about what Tony Abbott really had to say from the video of the interview that I posted?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUZjlYrQfsA
It was good to see a liberal say Rudd did a good job for apologising and saying sorry to the Aboriginal people when he was Prime Minister don't you think?And what do you think about Ray Jackson when he miss quotes Tony Abbott "that if and when he became pm then the tent embassy would go"It was mistruths like the one Ray repeats that caused all the trouble Abbott did not say "that if and when he became pm then the tent embassy would go"
Please excuse if this question offends but the first fleet landed in 1770 so I see that as 242 years where do you get 224 years from And one last question what did you think of the burning of the Australian flag and as Ralf says would you be upset if people next Australia day set fire to the Aboriginal flag?
Thank you for taking the time to read my comments
History
In April 1770 Captain James Cook and his crew became the first Europeans to reach the east coast of Australia, making landfall on the shore of what is now known as Botany Bay. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_voyage_of_James_Cook) That was not the start of the invasion.
The first fleet with the convicts and troops, starting the invasion, arrived in 1778 = hence 224 years ago. (http://www.jag10.freeserve.co.uk/1788.htm)
History shows you drew FIRST BLOOD
Here is what Willem Janszoon had to say about his voyage of 1606 to Australia"and certain parts inhabited by savage, cruel black barbarians who slew some of our sailors, so that no information was obtained touching the exact situation of the country and regarding the commodities obtainable and in demand there...."So history shows that the Aboriginals started the killings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janszoon_voyage_of_1606
29 May 1788 the first conflict between the First Fleet arrivals and Aboriginal people takes place near Rushcutters Bay, Sydney. Two convicts are killed by Aboriginals.
I notice you don't want to touch the Flag burning issue WHY?
406 years later cops are still killing Aborigines
Oh, that of course explains why 406 years later cops are still killing Aborigines in detention with impunity and proportionally Aboriginal kids are suiciding at the highest rate in the world.
Payback! It's all because of those poor Dutchmen slain in 1606. When something that must have appeared monstrous and terrifying to the Aboriginal people of the time appeared on their shores.
Other shipwrecked Dutchmen were taken in by Aborigines in Western Australia and reported having very happy lives with them.
First blood? Get real.
http://www.ammerlaan.demon.nl/quadcentenary.htm, http://www.lifeonperth.com/dutchshipwrecks.htm, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuytdorp
Two other men and I grabbed knives to defend ourselves
I was at the The Lobby Restaurant on Australia day to see my cousin receive a medal.When you all surrounded the venue and stated banging on the window we were worried the glass would break and be over run by the angry crowd what did I and the other guest do to deserve that? I seen a Aboriginal man with a spear the women beside me were very worried when they too seen people with weapons and dressed with what looked like war paint.Two other men and I grabbed knives from a tray and we said if they come in we will defend ourselves thats how worried we were.
When people come to a protest armed with spears don't tell me that is peaceful your the one with your facts wrong!
When out side we heard people from the protest saying that Abbott wanted the tent embassy torn down when we got home and seen the Abbott interview it turned out he said nothing of the sort you protesters got your facts wrong and carried on like thugs you all nee to say sorry.
I and a lot of people in the restaurant had respect for the Aboriginal cause you have now lost thst respect because of your actions on that day I hope you are proud of your gang mentality
Video about our youth suiciding at a staggering rate
mr,master,mrs,ms,miss anonymous.
non,
firstly i do not mind criticism, perhaps i could even learn from it but in the case of your abusive contribution the only thing i learn is to watch my manners.
secondly, i do not mind criticism as long as it is factual and delivered without the racist sneer, such as in your contribution.
i agree that all people lie, even the pope and cardinal pell lie, but the masters of the lie and the spin are the police, the politicians, the media and now you. whoever you are. you will have already learnt that it was possible for you to address me by name and not some anonymous nom-de-plume. my words are put out for all to see. if people disagree then please say so but i cannot work with a hidden being. maybe you're a cop, or a minder, or nobody.
you start your attack by relating what you saw as the facts of how the tent embassy was informed about the statement made by abbot and to the presence of him and gillard at the cafe. this was followed by some sense that we had fallen into some sort of abbot trap.
your version of events re the spread of the information is refuted by the person replying to your erroneous remarks. perhaps you need to be better aware of the real facts rather than your loose report. that person i believe is one of the moderators who was most concerned of your really offensive and quite unnecessary attack on me personally but more on that later.
tony hodges proved to be a fool in thinking that we would attack abbot and leave gillard alone. very bad thinking. as i said in my (named) post we were not on friendly terms with either of them. the words as reportedly used by abbot and advised to me and other audience members as such at the video viewing may have not been word for word correct but the only thing i plead guilty to is that i used some poetic license in putting abbot's future intention of his plans for the tent embassy. he has stated that if and when he becomes the pm he will spend at least one week in an aboriginal community. this act in itself, whilst perhaps of some use, would be better put into action if he spread his wings and stopped only visiting noel pearson territory. go to wa and the nt, go to wilcannia, dubbo or bourke. abbot needs to get out of his preferred comfort zone and stay in some intervention community. spread those wings.
anon, you then sink into a sneering, slimy personal attack on me and my whereabouts.
the video showing was a planned event that was originally going to be shown at the tent itself but this proved to be a logistical nightmare so it was decided to hold it at the theatre of the national library. i and many others attended so we could learn more on the problems of our youth who continue to suicide at a staggering rate. this horrific problem is australia-wide and is a phenomenon we must come to grips with. believe me, if i had had any forewarning of the cafe events i would have attended that rather than the video. in the three days i spent at the tent i saw one video. your innuendo is not worthy of any further consideration.
you can make what you like of my post and you have. i am no more answerable to you than i am to either gillard or abbot. i am, however, answerable to my aboriginal brothers and sisters and i am equally able to point out when i place others under my microscope when i believe them to be wrong. in the firing line this time was the warped media that attempted to denigrate myself and others who had attended the tent embassy.
i just don't cop shit,non, not from them or you.
ray jackson
Abbott knew you stuffed up and could imagine the head lines
Hello Ray My name is Paul Conner i'm not a cop, or a minder,Just a nobody.I would like to thank you for answering my comments.
All I did was point out Tony Hodges was a staffer (Media adviser) not a minder as you wrongly said he did not inform the tent embassy at all he told Sattler who informed Shaw who told the crowd at the tent embassy or do you know something I don't?And I pointed out that what you said about Tony Abbott "On that very day abbot made his usual disparaging and dismissive remark that if and when he became pm then the tent embassy would go"Ray can you give me some proof that he said that on Australia day because I have looked at every thing that was said by Abbott on the days before and after Australia day and on Australia day and I can not find what you report I will go as far as to say you lied Abbott did not say that on the day as you state.But I will give you the chance to correct me on that and tell me where and when and to whom he said it with out this proof it is obvious you just made it up Ray
We can agree on one thing all people lie the Pope and cardinal pell lie,(especially when it comes to pedophiles) And so do aboriginal leaders lie like yourself shit even I lie we are all human hey?but I'm not in the publics eye like you so my lies mean nothing lets face it who cares if I tell the missus I worked back late when i'm really at my mates house having a laugh with the boys?I'm doing no harm
No matter what you say you did fall into a trap set by Tony Hodges it was to get the protesters to attack Abbott and that happened but when the attack happened Abbott knew you stuffed up and could see the head lines in his head,Gillard attacked at Australia Day protest,News that staffer helped tip off Australia Day protesters kept from Julia Gillard for 24 hours,Day of wrath. Why do you think he was smiling so much? he seen you all fucking up and thats what you did with your conduct.
And yes Ray I had a go at you for being at the movies instead of on the front line, You should have been there what is slimy about that?
Ray I don't expect you to be answerable to anyone but if you make things up and are not accurate I will point them out especially when they are on a public forum like indymedia most of what you said is untrue,lies, made up, what ever you want to call it.
Lastly what have I said that was a racist sneer?Pull your head in mate I take people on face value and your face value is you have made stuff up or even lied.If it was up to me I would give the Aboriginal people every thing they want and more like Tax free income,Free medical, free education,free housing,free food,all this can be affordable by just simply cutting Australian Aid to places like Fiji, PNG, Solomons, Kiribati,Naru,etc the Aboriginal people of Australia are more entitled to Australian tax payers money than foreigners are. But do your selves a favour drop the rent a crowd and the professional shit stirrers they are harming your cause and report the truth no one likes to be bullshitted to you have no need to bullshit so why do it?
Minder is right
I worked in journalism for almost 50 years. In the trade we refer to VIPs' media assistants as their 'media minders'. Ray is right, you are wrong. Check with any other journo. If I'm confirmed, apologise to Ray.
http://www.google.com.au/webhp?hl=en&tab=nw#q=%22media+minders%22&hl=en&...
An editor
Ray is wrong
I work in security and a "minder" is someone that protects people If you introduce the word Media in front of the word Minder then you have a media minder but this is not what Ray said his words were "minder" so Paul is right and Ray is wrong.
Ray is also wrong when he says"On that very day abbot made his usual disparaging and dismissive remark that if and when he became pm then the tent embassy would go"Abbott did not say that, so Paul is right and Ray is wrong again
Good on you Paul keep them honest
Remember you started the flag burning
Ray will you be upset when we go to the tent embassy to burn the Aboriginal flag next Australia day? If the answer is yes the you owe a apology for burning our flag. If it is no see you next year when we are burning your flag
Main news agency got the story wrong
The ABC's Media Watch (http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s3424264.htm) revealed on 6 February that Sydney's Radio 2UE first came out with the false claim that Tony Abbott had said the embassy should be removed.
2UE claimed it got the story from the country's main news agency, Australian Associated Press, though AAP claims it wasn't until 6 minutes later that it put out its first report on Tony Abbott's remarks.
Tony Gillies, Editor in Chief of AAP, admitted, "it simply was not a good performance".
Gillies wrote to a complainant about AAP's coverage: "The matter has been the source of lengthy discussion in our news operation in the past few days because it simply was not a good performance. As a news wire agency renowned for its accuracy, we have taken the handling of this story very seriously. What I can say without reservation is that our reporting of this story was not motivated by a political agenda or malice. The simple explanation is that a quote from Mr Abbott was misinterpreted and a paraphrasing of his quote was inaccurate. We have referred this matter to our internal standards committee which reports on AAP editorial performance to its management and shareholders." Read the full AAP email at the Media Watch posting.
So much for the "responsible journalism" on which all you know-all absentee commentators based your attacks on the protesters.
And by the way, what is so wrong about protesting to a prime minister and an opposition leader about the horrendous treatment of Aborigines by both their parties?
Or is it just that Aboriginal people dared to do it?
They threatened no one, they hurt no one, they damaged nothing, they were punched and otherwise knocked about by police after the pollies were driven away, when there was nothing and no one left to "protect".
Payback from cops on an adrenaline kick after embarassing themselves by their ludicrous mishandling of a situation? Some with gun holsters opened, remember...
Have they and the men who seized knives in the restaurant been watching too many Westerns, or what?
Some ceremonial paint on a handful of people and a blunted spear of a very light wood is enough to put the wind up people in a room encased in glass at least 2 cm thick?
Kid me not.
As to the diversionary flag you're so hung-up about, I couldn't put it any better than Josh Lees, writing in the Socialist Alternative:
"This is the flag that has flown over every police station in which racist cops have murdered Aboriginal people, the flag that flies on top of the military vehicles that are enforcing apartheid and dispossession via the Northern Territory Intervention today, the flag of the Government that stole their children for generations and continues to steal them today with barely a word in the media, the flag of the Government that closes their schools and makes it illegal for children to learn their traditional languages. This is a shameful, blood-stained symbol of genocide. Let it burn."
Change your mindset. Challenge those who have poisoned you against Aboriginal people. Grieve their incomprehensibly appalling losses with them and join the struggle to give them equality at last. You'll feel much better about yourself.
Aboriginal rights movement damaged for a long time to come
Tony Abbott said nothing about tearing down the tent embassy.You listen to the media when it suits you, the media got it wrong like they always do and the tent embassy people went off half cocked.You should acknowledge that you got your story wrong so stop the bullshit because Tony Abbott said nothing about pulling down the tent embassy.The media got their head lines and you have damaged the whole Aboriginal rights movement for a long time to come with your Burning of the Australian Flag and your disgusting behaviour.
you need to apologies for those two things before I support you again.